Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[smokingman]

The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill on Thursday paving the way for the defense budget to exceed $800 billion next year(does not include the billions for Ukraine),and will our largest military single year budget ever,even if you adjust for inflation we did not spend that much during the peak of any war. To put it another way the military budget for 2023 will be larger than our cumulative national deficit was in 1978,or double what the military budget in 2002 was(posting a link).

U.S. House passes bill boosting Biden's record defense budget By Reuters

U.S. House passes bill boosting Biden's record defense budget

www.investing.com

https://https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-over-time/

www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget

 

[smokingman]

Looks like the Kremlin is ordering up more cannon fodder

Institute for the Study of War

The Kremlin likely ordered Russian “federal subjects” (regions) to form volunteer battalions to participate in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, instead of declaring partial or full mobilization in Russia. Russian war correspondent and milblogger Maksim Fo

www.understandingwar.org

The Kremlin likely ordered
What is the reasoning behind saying that? No public decree,no Putin speech or memo,just a blanket Putin made them?

The war is fairly popular in Russia. https://www.levada.ru/en/

Levada Center - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 2016, it(Levada) was labelled a foreign agent
Why? Because it is largely owned by the Swiss. Including Liberal Mission Foundation and Carnegie institute and yes they show nation wide support at over 80% for the war,and for Putin(with Rural areas even higher).
I do not think they are having to force anyone to join. Most Russian's are seeing this as a war for survival against NATO and especially the USA.
If Russia overthrew Mexico do you think the US military would have any problem recruiting soldiers to go and fight there?

 

[Bennettjh]

I did read that the parliament in Russia is having an "extraordinary meeting" tomorrow. Supposed to be on recess but are coming back for something...

 

[JettaKnight]

The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill on Thursday paving the way for the defense budget to exceed $800 billion next year(does not include the billions for Ukraine),and will our largest military single year budget ever,even if you adjust for inflation we did not spend that much during the peak of any war. To put it another way the military budget for 2023 will be larger than our cumulative national deficit was in 1978,or double what the military budget in 2002 was(posting a link).

U.S. House passes bill boosting Biden's record defense budget By Reuters

U.S. House passes bill boosting Biden's record defense budget

www.investing.com

https://https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-over-time/

www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget

Good.

 

[Vodnik4]

If Russia overthrew Mexico do you think the US military would have any problem recruiting soldiers to go and fight there?

If Russia overthrew Mexico… we would have a 30’ border wall, with machine guns, land mines, and gators in the Rio Grande with freaking lasers attached to their heads, in a month.
That sounds awesome. Anyone got Putin’s number?

 

[SEIndSAM]

A new photo recently posted by a #Ukrainian combat medic. She seems to be carrying a scoped M4A1 Carbine which is originally supplied by #USA to the UAF.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I think they should get ahead of the ball,and start making their version of the Hitler Youth Knife now.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sometimes I think this thread should be retitled to either the INGO Isolationist Thread, or ther INGO Putinist Proponents Thread...

 

[Brad69]

I am a isolationist and a realistic person. Nether pro Russian or pro Ukrainian. I am a American so I don’t have a dog in the fight.

IMO any attempt to fight the Russians on their own border is stupid.

The Ukrainians are being portrayed as a freedom loving democratic nation. The current President has banned opposition parties and has repressed the press. It’s also the poorest nation in Europe due to corruption.

Providing weapons to the Ukrainians will just prolong the conflict. With the added danger of the Russians gaining tech knowledge of advanced weapons.

 

[BigRed]

If Russia overthrew Mexico… we would have a 30’ border wall, with machine guns, land mines, and gators in the Rio Grande with freaking lasers attached to their heads, in a month.

You may have much more faith in the central state than do I.

 

[Ark]

I am a isolationist and a realistic person. Nether pro Russian or pro Ukrainian. I am a American so I don’t have a dog in the fight.

IMO any attempt to fight the Russians on their own border is stupid.

The Ukrainians are being portrayed as a freedom loving democratic nation. The current President has banned opposition parties and has repressed the press. It’s also the poorest nation in Europe due to corruption.

Providing weapons to the Ukrainians will just prolong the conflict. With the added danger of the Russians gaining tech knowledge of advanced weapons.

Same. I am a nationalist. I am an isolationist. I am antiwar. I'm not sorry about any of those things and, while I find the conflict deeply interesting, I believe it is absolutely not our business and it happened in large part because of our incessant and arrogant need to meddle.

 

[erasure]

Sometimes I think this thread should be retitled to either the INGO Isolationist Thread, or ther INGO Putinist Proponents Thread...

It's been sixty billion dollars so far. How has the United States benefited?

Will there be a clear benefit once we spend eighty? a hundred?

 

[indyartisan]

It's been sixty billion dollars so far. How has the United States benefited?

Will there be a clear benefit once we spend eighty? a hundred?

10% to the big guy?

 

[nra4ever]

At least we know where our billions are going.

 

[nra4ever]

I guess billions for Ukraine is cheap when we plan to give the Iranians a trillion.

Biden's New Iran Deal Offers Iran $1 Trillion by 2030 - This Is Treasonous | The Gateway Pundit | by Richard Abelson

Stumbling through the Middle East this week, calling the Holocaust an “honor” and removing the Israeli flag from his limo to go visit Palestinian terrorists in East Jerusalem – the first American President to ever visit Arab-occupied East Jerusalem – may not be the worst crime Joe Biden...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Leadeye]

I guess billions for Ukraine is cheap when we plan to give the Iranians a trillion.

Biden's New Iran Deal Offers Iran $1 Trillion by 2030 - This Is Treasonous | The Gateway Pundit | by Richard Abelson

Stumbling through the Middle East this week, calling the Holocaust an “honor” and removing the Israeli flag from his limo to go visit Palestinian terrorists in East Jerusalem – the first American President to ever visit Arab-occupied East Jerusalem – may not be the worst crime Joe Biden...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

I'm thinking a trillion dollars would buy a lot of energy on the world market from somebody else for this country if he's just looking for places to spend money.

 

[BugI02]

I'm thinking a trillion dollars would buy a lot of energy on the world market from somebody else for this country if he's just looking for places to spend money.

Information I've seen put all costs of a new 1100 Mw nuclear power plant at $6 to 9 billion in 2019 dollars. If the doddering sock puppet would just streamline permitting and use that trillion domestically he could have at least 122 Gw of new generating capacity online with zero increase in CO2 emissions

 

[smokingman]

Information I've seen put all costs of a new 1100 Mw nuclear power plant at $6 to 9 billion in 2019 dollars. If the doddering sock puppet would just streamline permitting and use that trillion domestically he could have at least 122 Gw of new generating capacity online with zero increase in CO2 emissions

Slight snag.

Where our uranium comes from - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Sources of uranium, how and where uranium is produced in the United States, and source of U.S. uranium imports.

www.eia.gov

US nuclear industry presses White House on Russian uranium imports: report

The U.S. nuclear power industry is reportedly lobbying for the White House to permit uranium imports from Russia amid the country’s invasion of Ukraine.Two sources familiar with the matter to…

thehill.com

Even more curious was the google search after I hit the back button(to post the second article) the results changed.
Now the first article is....

U.S. must end imports of Russian uranium

To support Ukrainian democracy, the U.S. has made important and courageous moves to squeeze Russia by halting imports. After Russia invaded its neighbor, the...

www.dallasnews.com

 

[indyartisan]

We could build molten salt reactors that use our spent fuel
But I guess that would get in the way of the carbon credit scam

 

[1DOWN4UP]