Democrats want to Legalize Marijuana

[DoggyDaddy]

Please note where I said that.

Post #190 where you said we don't need any new laws. Implying that the current laws should remain in effect.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Are the laws meant to stop use or sale, to police what gets done inside the home or attempt to prevent setting up in the business of feeding off the misfortunes of others

People mentioned using weed as an excuse to search a vehicle, but are you allowed to use intoxicating substances behind the wheel?

And do you think LE would be so anxious to search the vehicles of pot smokers unless it was quite likely that they were involved in more than just 'personal freedom'? I think if only one out of a hundred had other contraband that they wouldn't bother, but I read about traffic stops that uncover large quantities of drugs just about every week

The current laws are for D) All of the above although I would not characterize it "off the misfortunes of others" any more than I would the pharmaceutical companies, liquor companies, casinos, etc. You seem to have this idea that everyone who smokes pot is an unemployed layabout deadbeat. I assume you've never worked non-union construction.

I would note the number of current or former police in this thread who support legalization. I surely didn't search every car that smelled like weed, but of course I didn't ask for consent to search on a tail light traffic stop either, but some cops do. "If you can't maintain your car, you can't maintain your life" is an often heard mantra among some officers.

See: https://forum.officer.com/forum/public-forums/ask-a-cop/145159-burned-out-light-bulb-probable-cause

it's just a matter of the fact that people that don't take care of their vehicles for whatever reason also don't take care of other aspects of their life

I use equipment violations like the burned out brake, tail and head lights, to stop cars quite frequently. I get alot of warrants like this as well as intox drivers and the like.

Yes, I used to use faulty equipment for PC to stop and check. Crooks never fix lighting equipment.

Does this have the same ring to it:
And do you think LE would be so anxious to search the vehicles of *people with an out headlight* unless it was quite likely that they were involved in more than just 'personal freedom'?

 

[BugI02]

Cool, now look up the statistics for how many DUI (alcohol) arrests happen every single day.

In how many of those do they discover large quantities of illicit hard liquor being smuggled by the perps

And I was addressing the complaint that the popo use weed as an excuse to search the car. If intoxicated on alcohol, what do you think happens in step four?

Observe impaired behavior, initiate stop

Smell alcohol, give field sobriety and/or breathalyzer test

If test failed, arrest driver impound car

[Do you think they search the impounded car?]

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Please note where I said that.

Like some others, you seem to be blinded by your side of the argument to the point of not listening to what was actually said?

The post I quoted. Those are quite literally your words from post #190.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

In how many of those do they discover large quantities of illicit hard liquor being smuggled by the perps

And I was addressing the complaint that the popo use weed as an excuse to search the car. If intoxicated on alcohol, what do you think happens in step four?

Observe impaired behavior, initiate stop

Smell alcohol, give field sobriety and/or breathalyzer test

If test failed, arrest driver impound car

[Do you think they search the impounded car?]

I'm sure they search the impounded car quite often. I'll let BBI or the other LEO confirm though. Point is, you discount being intoxicated by alcohol while throwing a hissy fit over being intoxicated (usually much less impaired) on weed.

 

[bwframe]

So, just because these substances have intoxicating psychoactive side effects they can have no possible positive effects? And that all drugs used to treat various behavioral disorders must come from synthetic drugs made by large corporations?

Just because people use magic mushrooms (Psilocybin) recreationally means they serve no other purpose even though studies are proving it’s a highly effective treatment for conditions such as depression and PTSD?

And CBD seems to have a protective effect against traumatic brain injuries (studies are still in their infancy but there is growing evidence for it)



There are likely hundreds more examples like this as well.

So?

Who said you shouldn't have your drugs? No one.

The attitude about daily recreational use of intoxicants is the problem that needs addressed. That has nothing to do with legalities.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I assume you've never worked non-union construction.

Or Union construction, or IT, or as an engineer, or, or, or....

 

[bwframe]

The post I quoted. Those are quite literally your words from post #190.

They certainly are. Maybe you need to read them?

 

[jamil]

Indiana Democrats want to legalize medical and recreational marijuana. They say it will generate a lot of tax revenue.
Obviously, the next step is to legalize prostitution. It will also generate tax revenue and attract conventions (except the FFA) to the state. Additionally, it will provide employment for unskilled young people who don't want to bother with schooling.


Add purple if you think necessary.

I don’t have a problem with that. If Alcohol should be legal so should MJ.

 

[J Galt]

FWIW.....I don't smoke. I used to be in favor of legalizing marijuana. My opinion is shifting considering recent events that show some amount of coordination on the part of politicians and the uber rich of the world (e.g. Bill Gates).

Weed seems to make people more lazy and more compliant. Granted, people that want to smoke will smoke. However, legalizing weed will (in my opinion) lower the barrier to entry meaning more people will try it. This will result in a larger percent of the population that have a predisposition to being lazy and compliant try getting high increasing their laziness and compliance. This would seem to increase the likelihood that they will not resist any additional government infringements on personal rights.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory, I know. But given recent events with politicians and the uber rich, is it really that crazy?

Just 2 examples are Jeffrey Epstein and his ring of child molesters and the corona virus excuse to intrude on individual rights and the private sector.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

You seem to have this idea that everyone who smokes pot is an unemployed layabout deadbeat.

Well, just look at that Elon Musk fella. Laying around on a couch in his mom's basement, starting electric car companies and sending rockets to the International Space Station. What a bum.

 

[bwframe]

Post #190 where you said we don't need any new laws. Implying that the current laws should remain in effect.

Is it a new law if the current law stays in effect? The federal law?

Reading too much into this?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

They certainly are. Maybe you need to read them?

Exactly why we don't need to change any laws.... (LAW CURRENTLY PROHIBITS USE OF MARIJUANA)

No one is telling anyone what to do, (IS EXACTLY WHAT THE LAW DOES)

Disconnect = law currently tells you what to do, but no one is telling anyone what to do.

I can't read your mind. I can only read your words.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Is it a new law if the current law stays in effect? The federal law?

Reading too much into this?

No, the current laws are not new. But you intimated that you were in favor of current laws, which does criminalize marijuana, at least at the federal level, and currently at the state level in Indiana.

Scooped by BBI in #213.

 

[BugI02]

I'm sure they search the impounded car quite often. I'll let BBI or the other LEO confirm though. Point is, you discount being intoxicated by alcohol while throwing a hissy fit over being intoxicated (usually much less impaired) on weed.

Not discounting it at all, it is cut from the same cloth - namely 'impaired'

It is you who are making light of the issue. 'Usually much less impaired', indeed

I would venture to guess they always search the impounded vehicle, yet no one accuses them of using OMVI as an 'excuse to search the vehicle' and I would venture to say many even support getting them off the road. Why should a different kind of intoxication be any different

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I'm sure they search the impounded car quite often. I'll let BBI or the other LEO confirm though. Point is, you discount being intoxicated by alcohol while throwing a hissy fit over being intoxicated (usually much less impaired) on weed.

Every towed vehicle must be searched, although technically it's an "inventory" and not a search. The differences are only relevant in the realm of case law. In common parlance, both are searches.

That said, the whole OVWI thing is another red herring. I note alcohol is legal yet driving while drunk is not. Making possession of marijuana and sale of marijuana legal does not change OVWI statues. Note OVWI also applies to prescribed medicines, which are also legal. Nobody is advocating for repeal of OVWI laws.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Why should a different kind of intoxication be any different

Who is saying that? I haven't seen anyone say that pot smokers shouldn't be arrested if they're operating a motor vehicle or doing anything else for which they would be held accountable if they were intoxicated on alcohol. That's just you making that claim. If they break the law, charge them. Prohibition doesn't stop the activity. Do gun laws keep the gangbangers from getting guns illegally and shooting people?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Every towed vehicle must be searched, although technically it's an "inventory" and not a search. The differences are only relevant in the realm of case law. In common parlance, both are searches.

That said, the whole OVWI thing is another red herring. I note alcohol is legal yet driving while drunk is not. Making possession of marijuana and sale of marijuana legal does not change OVWI statues. Note OVWI also applies to prescribed medicines, which are also legal. Nobody is advocating for repeal of OVWI laws.

Who is saying that? I haven't seen anyone say that pot smokers shouldn't be arrested if they're operating a motor vehicle or doing anything else for which they would be held accountable if they were intoxicated on alcohol. That's just you making that claim. If they break the law, charge them. Prohibition doesn't stop the activity. Do gun laws keep the gangbangers from getting guns illegally and shooting people?

Stay out of my head!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Stay out of my head!

But it smells nice in here. Unlike my head. Dark and weird in there.

 

[phylodog]

FWIW.....I don't smoke. I used to be in favor of legalizing marijuana. My opinion is shifting considering recent events that show some amount of coordination on the part of politicians and the uber rich of the world (e.g. Bill Gates).

Weed seems to make people more lazy and more compliant. Granted, people that want to smoke will smoke. However, legalizing weed will (in my opinion) lower the barrier to entry meaning more people will try it. This will result in a larger percent of the population that have a predisposition to being lazy and compliant try getting high increasing their laziness and compliance. This would seem to increase the likelihood that they will not resist any additional government infringements on personal rights.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory, I know. But given recent events with politicians and the uber rich, is it really that crazy?

Just 2 examples are Jeffrey Epstein and his ring of child molesters and the corona virus excuse to intrude on individual rights and the private sector.

If I had to wager, I'd say about 10%-15% of the people interested in consuming cannabis actually refrain due to the legal status of the plant. If you've got a source showing the millions of would be bums sitting around praying they can use cannabis without breaking the law I'd love to see it. People who want to use it use it.

Can someone show me how the legalization in 18 of these United States has brought their worlds crashing to the ground? If anyone has a source please share it. Otherwise, as I stated earlier, the only reason this thread has gone on this long is IGNORANCE.

We've got plenty here who have no problem recognizing the ******** our schools are teaching (CRT & anal sex for middle schoolers) and our government is spouting yet they seem to be comfortable in the belief that they've been fed the truth when it comes to cannabis.

Some are confined within a box on this issue and seemingly incapable of or unwilling to get out of it.