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    tim87tr

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    We just need to be mindful of history so as not to repeat it. The Nazis came to power in one of the most advanced, educated nations in the world. No doubt there were many people having similar discussions at the time, not on the interwebs of course, recognizing the rising danger, but unsure how to confront it.

    I do not think we should sit around and wait for things to happen, nor do I think we should resort to more drastic measures at this time, as there is quite a bit of uncertainty regarding how that might pan out. We need to take cues from Australia, France, and others; mass demonstrations of civil disobedience on a scale that cannot be ignored and grabs their attention. If the pushback is significant enough, the despots pushing this stuff would be able to infer from the scale and tenor of relatively peaceful demonstrations that in a populace as heavily armed as the US they're not going to be able to push much further without risking an escalation to actual insurrection, as opposed to the January fake one they keep talking about.

    This is going to take a lot of wisdom to navigate around their trap, because that's what this appears like to me, while setting one of our own.
    Yes at some point there's going to be an escalation from either side in these situations outside the Country, probably Australia. That will be a marker event to set the tone and help wake up the Facebook news zombies in the US. As you state, it'll take an awareness and civil disobedience without falling into a trap. Let the tyrants continue their failed plan, as they even know it's over at this point. I thought the president looked broken in how he treated America, sad, desperate and revealing.

    Until later next year to possibly get data on the mandated shot results, and it doesn't look too good so far, my belief is nothing that's been done since March 2020 has been to benefit people world wide. It makes more sense to see it as something Evil for control and even depopulation, the flip side is the government is trying to help you????. I just don't see an increase in deaths that justify the hysteria and tyranny mandate.
     

    buckwacker

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    What better way to cull the conservative herd than to tell them that this is just a bad flu, then order them to wear masks and get vaccinated? They know damn well what conservatives will do.
    This has also crossed my mind, and I've talked about this specifically with family and friends.

    The reason that we entertain these possibilities is that a growing segment of the population sees their government and many other institutions as thoroughly corrupt. Lost faith in institutions is how people have historically found themselves in the midst of events like the French, American, Bolshevik, etc. revolutions. I'm fear that we're too far along to right the ship at this point and a major social and political shift is imminent. I just hope it goes the right way.
     

    buckwacker

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    IU Health has 36,000 employees. About 300 were suspended. Not all of them nurses, obviously. In fact, I'm betting a very small percentage of the 300 employees suspended were LPNs or RNs.
    Does 300 include those that left when they saw the writing on the wall?
     
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    Leo

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    If people are so sure the jab is safe and effective, why would they care who chooses not to get it?

    When I was a little boy, Polio was still around. A real vaccine was developed and tested and made available. People who got it did not worry, and I don't remember ever seeing anyone younger than me with Polio.

    In 1970 the autism rate was 2 per 10,000, we have been running fast an furious with all kinds of "helpful vaccines" and little care of long term reactions. Now the autism rate is 1 in 54. 1 in 54!!! But big pharma keeps saying everything is perfectly safe and it is not their fault.

    It IS darn time that people with more than 3 active brain cells start asking some serious questions. Obviously the Vegetable in chief is not qualified to ask the right questions. We should unite on this for the good of mankind, not attack each other to blindly follow people who clearly only care about power.
     

    buckwacker

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    The real bad news is for the nurses. Who is going to hire them? Hope their student loans are caught up.

    Nurses who don't trust medical science probably shouldn't be nurses.
    This is a bit ironic as you've previously made demeaning remarks about those who weren't in the medical field drawing conclusions about medical science. Now you say you've a better understanding about medical science than those in the field, even though you're not. Which is it?
     

    Leo

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    My fully vax'ed neighbor lady died of covid last month.

    My inlaw and his wife were fully vax'ed. Both hospitalized with covid. 5 weeks ago. He is out and in a bad way, wheel chair bound, she is dead.

    Talking hospital official in a lab coat on the local news, "No One is dying that was Vax'ed, everyone in this hospital is un vaccinated. Call me a skeptic, but we are being fed lies.
     

    Leo

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    Does 300 include those that left when they saw the writing on the wall?
    I know that it is a fact that a huge number of nurses and medical technologists chose to retire early rather than be part of what is going on, This has been going on for over a year. The labs are all backed up as we speak due to short staff and higher demand.
     

    KLB

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    The one thing that amazes me in all of this is the fact that the "99.8% survival" stat is taken as absolute gospel by the same people who vehemently deny or attempt to twist any other statistic coming from the exact same source.

    I don't know about anybody else, but I personally know two people who have died from Covid in the past year. I've never known anyone that has died from the flu.

    If Trump would have made the statement that breathing is a good thing, liberals would hold their breaths just to spite him. The opposite is also true. What better way to cull the conservative herd than to tell them that this is just a bad flu, then order them to wear masks and get vaccinated? They know damn well what conservatives will do.

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    I don't believe there was an official cause of death for the flu. Just like Covid, people that died while having one of the viruses were reported as dying from whatever else killed them, ie pneumonia, heart failure.

    With Covid, if you die and test positive for Covid, you died of Covid.
     

    wtburnette

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    What better way to cull the conservative herd than to tell them that this is just a bad flu, then order them to wear masks and get vaccinated? They know damn well what conservatives will do.

    Um, the largest segment of unvaxxed is blacks, most of whom are not conservatives.

    "The CDC is lying" is a frequent flyer amongst those who also use the term "plandemic." Just curious how some people decide when the CDC is gospel, and when they are lying.

    The CDC is lying about a great number of things, however, the death numbers can be corroborated via numerous other sites. When you look at those numbers for deaths for those younger than 70 years of age, you get 99.8% survival stat.
     

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    What effects will Covid infection have on people in 2-5 years?

    In other words you don't know.
    You still get infected with covid if you're vaccinated, with no knowledge if you're protected from long term consequences from it.

    So you can take your chances with getting potential issues 2-5 years down the road from covid, or roll the dice twice with the vaccine AND covid.
     

    foszoe

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    Yes I work for IUH, not as a healthcare worker though. I received a religious exemption. Hoping it'll cover me until this stuff blows over, or there are lawsuits that strike it down.
    You have to renew those at the end of the year?

    I have an inlaw that did the same.....one of the 2 biggest atheists I know!
     

    Wstar425

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    To whom it may concern,
    18 or so months ago, I and many like me were told we’re essential workers and had to be on the job, I still have the letter from the governor. This was back when masks, hand sanitizer were nonexistent, Covid was thought to be a death sentence and there was no vaccine.

    Now I’m told, more or less that I am expendable, a danger, reckless, doing the exact same job With a now known some odd 99% survivability

    I can promise you a bulk of the unvaccinated are people just like me, we rolled the dice back then with much worse odds because we had to, working one or two jobs 60-80 hrs a week trying to keep this country going.

    We deliver food and gas, keep the lights and heat on, the roads safe and care for people in the hospital. If you think we can be bullied into doing what you demand, good luck, I’ll be busy cutting fire wood for heat on the day of the ultimatum, I suggest you do the same.

    If you wrote that, very well said, and I’d like to use it.

    I’m a truck driver and didn’t hide in my basement nor roll up hiding in my closet in the fetal position. Other than moving and not having a job for 6 weeks, I’ve been out and about delivering goods every day so others who chose to could stay home and hide. You don’t get to tell me what to do now.

    Remember what businesses did to truck drivers? They locked us out, couldn’t use the bathrooms. Rest areas shut down, restaurants closed and wouldn’t serve you walking thru the drive up window. This for a virus where washing your hands was supposedly critical. I call BS, won’t forget and won’t forgive. We should be ashamed of ourselves the way we are treating our fellow man.
     

    foszoe

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    If people are so sure the jab is safe and effective, why would they care who chooses not to get it?

    When I was a little boy, Polio was still around. A real vaccine was developed and tested and made available. People who got it did not worry, and I don't remember ever seeing anyone younger than me with Polio.

    In 1970 the autism rate was 2 per 10,000, we have been running fast an furious with all kinds of "helpful vaccines" and little care of long term reactions. Now the autism rate is 1 in 54. 1 in 54!!! But big pharma keeps saying everything is perfectly safe and it is not their fault.

    It IS darn time that people with more than 3 active brain cells start asking some serious questions. Obviously the Vegetable in chief is not qualified to ask the right questions. We should unite on this for the good of mankind, not attack each other to blindly follow people who clearly only care about power.
    When the rules change on how something is diagnosed, incidence rates change. When a vaccine is involved, it does make one wonder if rates going up benefits pharma.
     
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    Alpo

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    I think you understood his post, not sure why you refused to address the point he made but it seems the pro vaccine crowd would rather deflect than address.

    It's not so much being "pro-vaccine" as being Darwinian. You reject the vaccine and die, no big deal. You reject the vaccine and take out your grandma and gramps? Irresponsible.

    No one likes a mandate, but the level of selfish behavior in the USA has reached a new high.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    It's not so much being "pro-vaccine" as being Darwinian. You reject the vaccine and die, no big deal. You reject the vaccine and take out your grandma and gramps? Irresponsible.

    No one likes a mandate, but the level of selfish behavior in the USA has reached a new high.
    But the vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus.
     

    JTScribe

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    If people are so sure the jab is safe and effective, why would they care who chooses not to get it?

    When I was a little boy, Polio was still around. A real vaccine was developed and tested and made available. People who got it did not worry, and I don't remember ever seeing anyone younger than me with Polio.

    In 1970 the autism rate was 2 per 10,000, we have been running fast an furious with all kinds of "helpful vaccines" and little care of long term reactions. Now the autism rate is 1 in 54. 1 in 54!!! But big pharma keeps saying everything is perfectly safe and it is not their fault.

    It IS darn time that people with more than 3 active brain cells start asking some serious questions. Obviously the Vegetable in chief is not qualified to ask the right questions. We should unite on this for the good of mankind, not attack each other to blindly follow people who clearly only care about power.

    The main difference there is advancements in diagnostics and broadening of the spectrum. I honestly think that the correlation with vaccination is due to the fact that it becomes more noticeable as children get to the age where their shots come into play. It's not necessarily the shots causing it so much as it is, "oh, they're a year old, they should be walking or doing X."

    Interesting outline of the history here:

     

    Hatin Since 87

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    It's not so much being "pro-vaccine" as being Darwinian. You reject the vaccine and die, no big deal. You reject the vaccine and take out your grandma and gramps? Irresponsible.

    No one likes a mandate, but the level of selfish behavior in the USA has reached a new high.
    What if I get the vaccine and take out grandma and gramps? Even with the vaccine, I can still contract and pass the virus.

    Is it selfish that people who are vaccinated wanna force me to do what they want me to do?
     

    Alpo

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    If people are so sure the jab is safe and effective, why would they care who chooses not to get it?

    When I was a little boy, Polio was still around. A real vaccine was developed and tested and made available. People who got it did not worry, and I don't remember ever seeing anyone younger than me with Polio.

    In 1970 the autism rate was 2 per 10,000, we have been running fast an furious with all kinds of "helpful vaccines" and little care of long term reactions. Now the autism rate is 1 in 54. 1 in 54!!! But big pharma keeps saying everything is perfectly safe and it is not their fault.

    It IS darn time that people with more than 3 active brain cells start asking some serious questions. Obviously the Vegetable in chief is not qualified to ask the right questions. We should unite on this for the good of mankind, not attack each other to blindly follow people who clearly only care about power.
    Let us not go there on vaccines/autism. This will rapidly devolve into a discussion of fat older women who get pregnant. Trust me on this.
     

    tim87tr

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    I've watched the first 15 min of this video of Robert Barnes, a constitutional lawyer. Great info if you give it a chance. He's fought against government and employers attacking freedoms and livelihood of hard working Americans.

    He does discuss a 4% rate of severe adverse effects from a now mandated shot (towards end of the 15 min I've watched).
     
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