Four killed at FedEx building in Indianapolis

[funeralweb]

Oh, I'm sure. I'm just coming from if I have one guy saying you have to wait a little longer to get your AR vs. another guy saying you can't have an AR, I can wait. If me waiting means that some psycho can't walk into a gun shop all hyped up, buy a gun and take some people out, is that really a bad thing? Does it suck for those of us who play nicely? Most definitely.
My opinion is just that, my opinion. How do we protect our rights and at the same time stop senseless violence. Serious question. You and I both know that a person did this, not a gun but we have to come up with a better solution than just flag waving and saying, "You can't tell me what to do!". People need an answer to gun violence. Shouldn't we, as gun owners come up with the answer before they do?

I had to run some errands just now. One of them was to visit a cemetery to verify some work was completed. I always stop at the grave of one man in particular who died in January 2018. Ralph was a WWII infantryman. He designed his headstone before he died, including many emblems representing his fraternal memberships as well as military unit crests he wore.

Underneath of everything else, he included the words: "Liberation of Dachau".

Ol' Ralph gave my Dad his first job out of high school 65 years ago. My personal friendship with him goes back over 45 years, which I suspect is probably longer than your time on the planet thus far.

One thing Ralph shared with me near the end of his life (1920-2018):
He was sad that he had lived so long that he was witnessing successive generations "pissing away" (his words) so many of the freedoms he and many of his fallen brothers had sacrificed so much in order to preserve for all future generations.

Many of the things Ralph fought to defend and preserve are being taken away faster than people like me can bury the few remaining witnesses to what true tyranny is.

Keep pulling the wrong lever, Leverboy.

 

[looper]

The gunman in the FedEx shooting spree was previously known to federal and local authorities — and had been flagged up to law enforcement by a concerned family member before the deadly attack, according to a report Friday.

This put out by cnn

 

[tbhausen]

Oh, I'm sure. I'm just coming from if I have one guy saying you have to wait a little longer to get your AR vs. another guy saying you can't have an AR, I can wait. If me waiting means that some psycho can't walk into a gun shop all hyped up, buy a gun and take some people out, is that really a bad thing? Does it suck for those of us who play nicely? Most definitely.
My opinion is just that, my opinion. How do we protect our rights and at the same time stop senseless violence. Serious question. You and I both know that a person did this, not a gun but we have to come up with a better solution than just flag waving and saying, "You can't tell me what to do!". People need an answer to gun violence. Shouldn't we, as gun owners come up with the answer before they do?

Barf

 

[BamaBoy]

We already have an answer. **** all the way off. If the only answer can be either a little more gun control or a lot more gun control, you don’t even belong in the conversation.

Whoever shot those people didn’t do it because there’s a gun shop on the way to the scene, so why the hell not. He (presumably “he”) did it for reasons that don’t really have anything to do with the gun. It’s a tool.

I'm so damn sick of the Leftist BS that spews from their pathetic mouths when a sick individual commits gun violence. You have to be pretty sick and power drunk, not too mention arrogant, to think a good fix is "Here, we will fix this, give me your guns. All you need is your good Ole Government"
Sure, Biden, you can have my ARs, and the rest of my guns.....when you have the balls to come get them personally
I DARE YOU

 

[looper]

“Authorities were warned about FedEx suspect’s potential for violence in the past, sources say,” Cabrera tweeted. “The suspect in the Indianapolis mass shooting was known to federal and local authorities prior to the attack.”

Citing three law enforcement sources, Cabrera added that a relative reached out to authorities to warn them of the gunman’s “potential for violence.” It is not clear when the warning was issued.
cnn

 

[foszoe]

Oh, I'm sure. I'm just coming from if I have one guy saying you have to wait a little longer to get your AR vs. another guy saying you can't have an AR, I can wait. If me waiting means that some psycho can't walk into a gun shop all hyped up, buy a gun and take some people out, is that really a bad thing? Does it suck for those of us who play nicely? Most definitely.
My opinion is just that, my opinion. How do we protect our rights and at the same time stop senseless violence. Serious question. You and I both know that a person did this, not a gun but we have to come up with a better solution than just flag waving and saying, "You can't tell me what to do!". People need an answer to gun violence. Shouldn't we, as gun owners come up with the answer before they do?

You probably already got plenty of responses to this so I'll just say this. You're basically setting up a false Choice and then being okay with the result. It's one thing to comply with all this BS because we have to it's another thing to be okay with it don't be okay with it.

 

[J Galt]

Given the level of restrictions on employees (no cell phones, having to pass through ECPs, security on site), I wonder if there is any room for a negligence lawsuit against Fedex. Financial and public relations punishment are the only things that work against large corporations.

Was there a duty to provide for the safety of the employees (and visitors)?

Was there a breach in that duty?

Was there proximate cause?

Was there damage?

I'm not a lawyer. This isn't legal advice. I would like to see someone initiate a lawsuit against Fedex.

 

[JTScribe]

Named:

FedEx shooter ID’d as 19-year-old Brandon Scott Hole

The man who killed eight people at an Indianapolis FedEx facility was identified as local 19-year-old Brandon Scott Hole — as police revealed there are a “significant” number of Sikh community memb…

nypost.com

 

[foszoe]

This is the stupidest thing I have seen all week.

I'll try harder!

 

[foszoe]

Still no ID of the shooter??????
From an AP article;
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Police in Indianapolis have identified the shooter who opened fire at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis as a young male in his 20s.

Police Chief Randal Taylor also noted that a “significant” number of employees at the facility where the shooting took place Thursday night are members of the Sikh community.

https://apnews.com/article/fedex-indianapolis-mass-shooting-e92ad3117c56357b3b2c71a2903e68a8

Noted that a significant number of Sikhs work at the facility. Unless he was asked a direct question that's just a setup

 

[armalitesheepdog]

Talked to your friend this AM to confirm he isnt room temperature?

Lol. No he is alive and well. Not that type at all

 

[PistolBob]

Looks like his facebook account has been scrubbed. Meh. Has the press managed to divulge his race, religion, and NRA membership status yet? This is being framed for a "SEE!!! We need RED FLAGS and this would have never happened." Have the media divulged what weapon was used? AR16? AR17? Full auto submachine gun?

 

[tbhausen]

The gunman in the FedEx shooting spree was previously known to federal and local authorities — and had been flagged up to law enforcement by a concerned family member before the deadly attack, according to a report Friday.

This put out by cnn

Color me surprised.

 

[rooster]

Looks like his facebook account has been scrubbed.

this is the part that bothers me. If something like happens and you are named as a suspect, you just disappear from the internet. Somehow they magically just make you go away. Very Orwellian IMO.

 

[OakRiver]

Brandon Scott Hole: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

Brandon Scott Hole was identified as the gunman in the Indianapolis, Indiana, FedEx mass shooting.

heavy.com

Sounds like not only were local LEOS and the Feds aware that he was a risk, but he may also have been a prohibited person.

 

[bwframe]

Interesting how we have to learn anything about this shooter from out of state news organizations?

 

[chipbennett]

Given the level of restrictions on employees (no cell phones, having to pass through ECPs, security on site), I wonder if there is any room for a negligence lawsuit against Fedex. Financial and public relations punishment are the only things that work against large corporations.

Was there a duty to provide for the safety of the employees (and visitors)?

Was there a breach in that duty?

Was there proximate cause?

Was there damage?

I'm not a lawyer. This isn't legal advice. I would like to see someone initiate a lawsuit against Fedex.

I'm getting into it over this very question with the Facebook Libertarians on Jim Lucas's FB feed. They have this odd stance that "property rights" are universal, and establishing a policy that prevents employees from exercising their right to ensure their own safety doesn't constitute liability on the part of the property owner.

This is - again - why I could never be a (big-L) Libertarian.

(Yeah, and I know there are some of them on INGO, too. So just to be clear here: I support your right to enact whatever policies you want on your property, and do not support the State dictating what policies you can set, either to compel you to establish a policy or to restrain you from establishing a policy. That said: you are 100% responsible for the results of the policies you choose to establish. If your policy forces employees to disarm at risk of being fired, then those employees do not have a free-will choice; they have an ultimatum. And when they follow that policy, and are thus defenseless as a result against an armed assailant, you, the property owner who established the policy, are liable for the harm that results.)

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Why no name? Something is off.

One witness (Levi Miller) that was interviewed said he heard the gunman yelling something "that he couldn't understand". Foreign phrase perhaps? I don't know.

 

[Ark]

Has it been determined whether or not he was employed there?

 

[OakRiver]

I thought his stance was good. Finally some common sense gun measures. Waiting periods, tighter background checks, no private sales. These are things we should have. A lot better than banning ARs or 80% firearms which would do nothing.

Oh, I'm sure. I'm just coming from if I have one guy saying you have to wait a little longer to get your AR vs. another guy saying you can't have an AR, I can wait. If me waiting means that some psycho can't walk into a gun shop all hyped up, buy a gun and take some people out, is that really a bad thing? Does it suck for those of us who play nicely? Most definitely.
My opinion is just that, my opinion. How do we protect our rights and at the same time stop senseless violence. Serious question. You and I both know that a person did this, not a gun but we have to come up with a better solution than just flag waving and saying, "You can't tell me what to do!". People need an answer to gun violence. Shouldn't we, as gun owners come up with the answer before they do?

With friends like you we certainly do not need enemies.

You may wish to surrender your personal autonomy and liberty, hoping that you will be spared the tyranny of the majority. You are free to restrict your own exercise of your rights as you see fit. Please do not foist them on others, as the law abiding do not need to suffer the collective punishment for the mis-deeds of the few. All your proposals would make it harder for those less well off in society, or who belong to marginalized groups, to defend themselves. Your ideas would result in more victims. Not fewer.

While you're at it please also consider incorporating other common sense solutions into your life, such as:
- cutting up your credit cards to prevent fraud
- never speaking again to prevent slander
- selling your car to prevent speeding
- never drinking alcohol again to prevent drink driving
- removing your male member and all of your digits to prevent r*pe