To Mask or Not to Mask?

[Hatin Since 87]

I think the better question would be "will you" not "did you"

That allows for education to change the mind.

Kinda like if someone starts carrying a gun. I wouldn't fault them for all the years of not carrying I would congratulate them on becoming educated and the start that has been made.

I work with way too many people that believe coming into work sick is a sign of manliness. Then they will use sick days as vacation because they don't want to lose the benefit.

Before we all start wearing masks, why not just use sick days? I hope this whole thing will make people just stay home more if they are sick.

The point is he’s preaching to everyone about bearing responsibility of harming others because they aren’t wearing a mask. Did he just begin caring about harming others since it became mainstream, and people praise mask wearers and berate non maskers, or did he always care about harming others and wore a mask before it was mainstream? I will not be lectured about harming others when they were doing the same for years. Just being alive and breathing isn’t harming anyone, you (not you personally) forcing me to wear something against my will for the simple fact I am alive and breathing is bs and I will not comply.

As to not working when sick, I agree. I think some companies punish employees for taking a sick day tho. When I was 20 or so I had the flu. My boss told me it pays better to take a **** at work than home. He actually wanted me to come to work sick.

Also... I’m not trying to force anybody to carry a gun against their will. There’s a huge difference between the 2. Maskers are trying to force me to wear one against my will.

 

[CampingJosh]

Those "others" enjoy the presumption of innocence, which includes the presumption that they are not causing harm.

If you claim otherwise, then the burden of proof is on you to prove the harm they are causing.

Saying someone who is otherwise healthy and not symptomatic needs to wear a mask because they might be carrying a virus is more or less equivalent to police claiming that they need to check for an LTCH for someone carrying a firearm because that person might be a felon in possession.

I'm not talking about police or any role of government. I am talking to a group of people who claim to have a principled understanding of individual rights. The principled view is not just that others must avoid intruding on your rights but also that you must avoid intruding on others' rights.

This kinda sounds like you don't get out much.

You really seem to enjoy an ad hom, don't you?

I’ll ask again, since you continue to ignore my question. The flu is deadly to some. Did you wear a mask every flu season to prevent from harming others, or did you just recently begin to care?

It's not that I'm ignoring your question; I'm ignoring your faulty premise. You still seem to be stuck on the long-since disproven idea that SARS-CoV-2 is the same thing as the flu.

Are you familiar with the concept of best practices?

I am quick to take a work-from-home day if I have been exposed to a communicable disease (and have had the privilege of working from home whenever needed since 2010), and I take a sick day whenever I need it. I encourage my employees to take sick days when needed. (They are all paid salary, so they don't lose anything when taking a sick day.) When I cough or sneeze, it's into a disposable tissue or the sleeve of my shirt. I wash my hands regularly. I get the flu vaccine. Those are the best practices for flu. If wearing a mask in some situations becomes part of the best practices for flu, then I'll start doing that, too. (And, same as with Covid, I'll generally avoid situations where best practice calls for wearing a mask.)

Best practices for Covid have also been defined, but because it's a different disease, the best practices are a bit different: Self-isolate if you're sick. Quarantine if you've been exposed. Wash your hands regularly. Don't touch your face. Stay distanced from people outside your household. When distancing isn't feasible, wear a mask.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

It's not that I'm ignoring your question; I'm ignoring your faulty premise. You still seem to be stuck on the long-since disproven idea that SARS-CoV-2 is the same thing as the flu.

No, it’s pointing out your hypocrisy. You claimed “It doesn't have to be intentional. If a person causes harm wrecklessly or even accidentally, that person still bears some degree of responsibility for the harm done”

This cannot be true for 1 virus with a 99% survival rating yet not be true for another. You don’t get to pick and choose which “harm” is ok and which is not if you’re going to preach to me from a moral high ground.

Why can you not just answer the question with a simple yes or no? Did you or did you not wear a mask during regular flu season in years prior?

And no. I won’t wear a mask because YOU think I should. It is NOT your RIGHT to not get sick.

 

[Rookie]

Since he is constantly dancing around the question, it's pretty obvious that the answer is no.

 

[nonobaddog]

 

[BugI02]

There's been liability in a "normal human function" done in a manner that endangers others for a long time. Would you claim it's not a problem for someone to take a into your drinking water supply? That's also a normal human function.

Everyone should do their best to keep their germs to themselves. Staying physically distanced seems to work best. In situations where that's not feasible, wearing a mask to contain exhaled respiratory droplets is a rather unobtrusive mitigation effort for most people.

Perhaps the people who are scared to death to be around unmasked others should just stay physically distanced ... from everybody

'Problem' solved

 

[phylodog]

Perhaps the people who are scared to death to be around unmasked others should just stay physically distanced ... from everybody

'Problem' solved

Haven't you heard? People have a right to not be afraid and it is everyone else's responsibility to make sure that happens.

 

[BigRed]

nope
Last I'm hearing is fall, maybe next winter

To Hell with that ********.

 

[foszoe]

Perhaps the people who are scared to death to be around unmasked others should just stay physically distanced ... from everybody

'Problem' solved

You mean social distancing

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Haven't you heard? People have a right to not be afraid and it is everyone else's responsibility to make sure that happens.

Where can I get a copy of this constitution that has all these rights I haven’t seen? Health care, college, abortion, fearless, free from sickness... the forefathers covered a lot more than I realized!

 

[BigRed]

Since he is constantly dancing around the question, it's pretty obvious that the answer is no.

Over the years, I've noticed progressives dance more than anything else.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

You mean social distancing

Call it whatever you like, just leave me alone!

 

[BugI02]

You mean social distancing

I used Josh's term from his prior post so people like you wouldn't get confused (#4246, the part you're looking for is color highlighted)

Fail, I guess

 

[CampingJosh]

This cannot be true for 1 virus with a 99% survival rating yet not be true for another. You don’t get to pick and choose which “harm” is ok and which is not if you’re going to preach to me from a moral high ground.

So... you think you're not still claiming the false eqivalence? Become it really, really seems like you are.

And no. I won’t wear a mask because YOU think I should. It is NOT your RIGHT to not get sick.

I'm not concerned about getting sick; I am relatively young and healthy. I'm much more likely to have an asymptomatic case than a lethal one.

I do find it concerning that you seem not to identify life as an inalienable right

 

[DEAIV]

When I think it is appropriate.

Because freedom.

And when my wife tells me to.

Because marriage.

This is the correct answer

 

[CampingJosh]

I used Josh's term from his prior post so people like you wouldn't get confused (#4246, the part you're looking for is color highlighted)

Fail, I guess

"Social distancing" is such a bad way to describe it. Socializing is fine; staying physically far apart is the mitigation.

 

[BigRed]

Today is a sad day.



I realized that the likelihood of death for anybody alive today is hovering right around 1.0 or 100%.

At the same time, the survival rate of the scamdemic is about the same.

 

[churchmouse]

Man this crap just keeps getting deeper and deeper. And it is all crap.

 

[jamil]

"Social distancing" is such a bad way to describe it. Socializing is fine; staying physically far apart is the mitigation.

Social distancing sounds like one of those trendy terms a Millennial was sure to have coined. Sure, maybe a boomer, or even X'er rolled it out publicly, but a panel of Millennials thought it up. I mean, they gave us **** like turning words that aren't verbs, into verbs. Like, "Adulting". Using words to mean other words, like using "literally" as emphasis. And of course inventing an entirely new concept and attaching an existing word for it. Like "canceled". Oh, and one of my faves, "conflate". We've conflated "conflate" with "confused" to mean mistaking one thing for a different thing, instead of using it to mean combining two different things to make one new thing that is not really any of the two things that made it the new thing.

So, sure. Social distancing. Why the **** not? It's your world now. Make up whatever you want. If you can make a noun out of a verb like "ask", what can't you do with language? Oh. You can even cancel words. I can't even say "retarded" anymore without everyone in the room staring at me like I just stabbed someone.

 

[churchmouse]

Social distancing sounds like one of those trendy terms a Millennial was sure to have coined. Sure, maybe a boomer, or even X'er rolled it out publicly, but a panel of Millennials thought it up. I mean, they gave us **** like turning words that aren't verbs, into verbs. Like, "Adulting". Using words to mean other words, like using "literally" as emphasis. And of course inventing an entirely new concept and attaching an existing word for it. Like "canceled". Oh, and one of my faves, "conflate". We've conflated "conflate" with "confused" to mean mistaking one thing for a different thing, instead of using it to mean combining two different things to make one new thing that is not really any of the two things that made it the new thing.

So, sure. Social distancing. Why the **** not? It's your world now. Make up whatever you want. If you can make a noun out of a verb like "ask", what can't you do with language? Oh. You can even cancel words. I can't even say "retarded" anymore without everyone in the room staring at me like I just stabbed someone.

Yup. One of the things my 14 year old G-daughter has helped me to see and understand is what I think and feel is right and proper don't mean anymore. I am now irrelevant. I have served my purpose and folks continue to rely on me but my opinions and advice fall on deaf ears. Such is the circle of life.

We busted our butts to actually build this place. Now those Morons want to tear it all apart.