Biden to cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit.

[churchmouse]

I just looked into IPL and green energy. What the hell is a green energy credit. Is it like the elusive and worthless carbon credit.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If they could do that, they wouldn't have to demand we change, we would likely change on our own. They know and we know it is going to be a kludge, but they're for it because there is a payday involved and they think it will never affect them

Yes. Nothing like ideas so good they have to be forced at gunpoint.

 

[foszoe]

IP$L is not using green energy to my knowledge.

They are using wind, solar and battery power

 

[IndyDave1776]

I just looked into IPL and green energy. What the hell is a green energy credit. Is it like the elusive and worthless carbon credit.

If I had to guess I would expect it to be the same thing with a net paint job. These people just aren't very imaginative most of the time.

 

[foszoe]

sure you can but it will cost out the ass to get it here....

Ok. How much per MW?

 

[foszoe]

Fixed it for you.

No. Reason coal trains run all over the place is powder basin coal is cheaper than ours. Dirty burning but utilities rather save a buck now.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Green energy had been supplying the electricity you all been using at rates topping 30% in the last year alone.

Over 5% right now. Look at the pie chary

Markets and Operations

www.misoenergy.org

You do realize this proves over 75% production is from Coal and Nat.Gas right?

 

[foszoe]

Energy storage | AES Indiana

Energy storage

www.iplpower.com

 

[Kdf101]

Some people are just not open to an honest talk about this because it doesn’t fit their view of how it SHOULD be. The proponents of “green energy” are these guys. First of all, it is not green. The stuff to make it is toxic, rare, and a lot of it isn’t here. I’m all for renewable energy if it can be made reliable, relevant, and affordable. Government coercing isn’t a good way to get it done, or to promotes its virtues. If it was ready for prime time, I guarantee you somebody would be doing it and making money, without govt subsidies. That is the great thing about capitalism. There may be one, but I can’t come up with a major advance that hasn’t been independently done by private enterprise. If it worked, they made money, if it didn’t, then it went away. Maybe rockets? Hell even there private industry is doing it cheaper and faster now.

 

[foszoe]

You do realize this proves over 75% production is from Coal and Nat.Gas right?

You do realize that is a real time snapshot, right?

16 years ago, that chart may have hit 1000 MW. Now it routinely tops 12-15 GW. In recent weeks, it's topped 20 GW

 

[Jaybird1980]

No. Reason coal trains run all over the place is powder basin coal is cheaper than ours. Dirty burning but utilities rather save a buck now.

Wow you need take a class. The reason a plant burns a certain coal is because of it's composition. A boiler and the emissions were designed to burn a certain coal. They don't have the ability to burn whatever they find cheapest and a good many of them burn a blend.

It all depends on the boiler design, they are not the same

 

[Jaybird1980]

You do realize that is a real time snapshot, right?

16 years ago, that chart may have hit 1000 MW. Now it routinely tops 12-15 GW. In recent weeks, it's topped 20 GW

i certainly understand, i believe you do not

 

[Jaybird1980]

Please explain how solar and wind are close to replacing coal, nuclear and nat.gas

 

[foszoe]

Wow you need take a class. The reason a plant burns a certain coal is because of it's composition. A boiler and the emissions were designed to burn a certain coal. They don't have the ability to burn whatever they find cheapest and a good many of them burn a blend.

It all depends on the boiler design, they are not the same

Ignoring your first sentence, the rest is true. Your conclusions aren't. That's exactly why boilers started having so much slaging issues because bean counters ignored design parameters and started burning cheap ass coal from out west.

 

[foszoe]

Please explain how solar and wind are close to replacing coal, nuclear and nat.gas
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Who said they were ?

Who said coal, nat gas, nuclear are in decline? Me.

nat gas is what's killing coal right now, cheaper to build, fuel, and maintain

 

[Jaybird1980]

Ignoring your first sentence, the rest is true. Your conclusions aren't. That's exactly why boilers started having so much slaging issues because bean counters ignored design parameters and started burning cheap ass coal from out west.

Slag comes with the territory, no way past it. Doesn't change the fact the boiler and emissions were designed for a certain coal characteristic. If someone burned whatever was cheapest they would constantly be redesigning their FGD. Or be paying fines.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Who said they were ?

Who said coal, nat gas, nuclear are in decline? Me.

nat gas is what's killing coal right now, cheaper to build, fuel, and maintain

Biden says its going to be in decline pretty soon. Lol
reread the thread

 

[foszoe]

Power generation | AES Indiana

As AES Indiana prepares to power the future, we continue to pursue a balanced generation portfolio.

www.iplpower.com

IPL past and future generations mix

 

[foszoe]

Slag comes with the territory, no way past it. Doesn't change the fact the boiler and emissions were designed for a certain coal characteristic. If someone burned whatever was cheapest they would constantly be redesigning their FGD. Or be paying fines.

At the design parameters, slagging is much less. With dirty blends it becomes necessary to deslag more often sometimes much more often.

 

[BugI02]

Then you should know that they can transmit power from where solar is good in the winter.

Insolation at the equator is between 380 and 430 W/sq meter (depending on the time of the year) for no more than twelve hours per day

With commercial photovoltaic efficiency available now in the 22 to 26% range, 1kw would require 9 to 12 sq. meters

If you're going to transmit it long distances (like to the US) you need to convert it to a/c and conversion losses can be as high as 30%, or 13 to 17 sq. meters per kw

US total energy consumption in 2019 was about 4 trillion kWh, or about 11 billion kwh per day. Assuming 2/3 is daytime consumption that is about 611 million kWh per hour during that time

That equates to at best 8 billion sq meters of photovoltaics, or 800 million sq meters to accomodate 10% of US daily demand, which is 800 square kilometers or a square 17.5 miles on a side plus room for the infrastructure - enough to completely cover Honolulu more than 4 times over. Where are you going to put it?

Will an equatorial country give up 300+ square miles of cleared land? I think not, esp. since most of that is farm land. Are you going to hack 300 square miles out of jungle (and keep it hacked)? Bon Appétit

C'mon, foz -you should be able to do the math as well as I can. And don't forget that the US will have to come up with the other 300 million or so kWh per hour of demand during the night. Then you have transmission infrastructure running about 2400 miles through countries of various degrees of lawlessness or instability (that distance is Bogata to Brownsville)

Then long line transmission loss is 8% at best, so you need to up your photovoltaic area commensurately, all to take on 10% of us power consumption for half the day.

I'm sure you'll have no difficulty lining up investors