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[OurDee]

So, what if it isn't over? What if the military tries people for treason?

 

[printcraft]

Remember, the Second Amendment was undermined by the Trump administration at Trump's direction.

There wasn't a pro-2A option in November, and that was just as much the fault of Republicans nominating Trump as it was the Democrats nominating Biden. Both options should have been considered offensive, but for some reason I still don't see many Republicans admitting that.

Trumpers aren't Trumpers because of 2A. They perhaps hoped it might be a side benefit, but they chose to stick with him even when he showed that he was willing to ignore the Constitutional process and unilaterally change the law in order to infringe on our rights--and to set the precedent that a president can do such a thing.

 

[CampingJosh]

Placeholder post, made so I can find this again 100 days from 20 Jan 21 and see if 2A bona fides are indistinguishable between Biden and Trump. I have a feeling your post won't age well

First, there's a "bookmark" option on posts in the new software. It's pretty handy for things like this.

Second, I still have never said Biden is good. I would just like the rest of INGO to give up their fantasy that Trump somehow is.

 

[CampingJosh]

It's difficult to take at all seriously someone who attempts such specious equivalence arguments as you've made here. I have no doubts you know there is a world of real estate between the two on this issue, but feel the need to take some heat off on a gun forum for your choice of candidates in an election. It isn't going to work.

Biden wasn't my choice. The most ringing endorsement I ever gave Biden was that if he was elected, then at least pro-gun members of Congress might fight against his agenda (which they didn't do against Trump's anti-gun agenda).

It's just my hope that some of you all will see that Trump is both a dead-end politically and not even a 2A supporter.

 

[Tombs]

It's just my hope that some of you all will see that Trump is both a dead-end politically and not even a 2A supporter.

How is Trump a dead end for the party when he achieved almost 6 million more votes than Obama?

 

[buckwacker]

Biden wasn't my choice. The most ringing endorsement I ever gave Biden was that if he was elected, then at least pro-gun members of Congress might fight against his agenda (which they didn't do against Trump's anti-gun agenda).

It's just my hope that some of you all will see that Trump is both a dead-end politically and not even a 2A supporter.

Please explain how Trump was anti2A. The only conceivable thing I can think of was the bumpstock ban. While I wasn't happy that he went there, the pragmatic view is that his move might have staved off more onerous gun regulation. It seemed more a calculated attempt at ending the gun regulation push, than an ideological opposition to gun rights.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Please explain how Trump was anti2A. The only conceivable thing I can think of was the bumpstock ban. While I wasn't happy that he went there, the pragmatic view is that his move might have staved off more onerous gun regulation. It seemed more a calculated attempt at ending the gun regulation push, than an ideological opposition to gun rights.

The bumpstock ban is enough. It’s a violation. If you’re going to call it ok, because it’s “pragmatic,” then you’ve given the Democrats room to work. The president made his move on that item unilaterally, and quickly, without even consulting congress.

 

[buckwacker]

The bumpstock ban is enough. It’s a violation. If you’re going to call it ok, because it’s “pragmatic,” then you’ve given the Democrats room to work. The president made his move on that item unilaterally, and quickly, without even consulting congress.

I thought I was clear I didn't like it, but to say he's not much different from Biden because of it is just stupid. Come on guys. That being said I didn't trust him implicily, as I could envision him giving more ground if the political pressure got really cranked up by something like another Sandy Hook. But he's not campaigning on it, and evidence shows he resisted calls for more onerous gun restrictions after the Vegas shooting.

By the way, I thought you didn't like purity tests.

 

[Tombs]

The bumpstock ban is enough. It’s a violation. If you’re going to call it ok, because it’s “pragmatic,” then you’ve given the Democrats room to work. The president made his move on that item unilaterally, and quickly, without even consulting congress.

No democrat has room to speak who voted in favor of a blanket semi-auto ban.
But you're a low information voter, so you don't even realize what you voted for.

 

[KG1]

When are they gonna bring in the UN blue helmutts?

 

[ditcherman]

When are they gonna bring in the UN blue helmutts?

Could they be here and we not even know it?
I think at this point the most important thing is for patriots to not take the bait, the way they did at the capital, as has become obvious. Drawing the line on what is ‘bait’ is the tough part. Listening to what should be one side bicker and splinter is painful.

 

[KellyinAvon]

When are they gonna bring in the UN blue helmutts?

That crossed my mind recently.

 

[ditcherman]

Remember, the Second Amendment was undermined by the Trump administration at Trump's direction.

There wasn't a pro-2A option in November, and that was just as much the fault of Republicans nominating Trump as it was the Democrats nominating Biden. Both options should have been considered offensive, but for some reason I still don't see many Republicans admitting that.

Trumpers aren't Trumpers because of 2A. They perhaps hoped it might be a side benefit, but they chose to stick with him even when he showed that he was willing to ignore the Constitutional process and unilaterally change the law in order to infringe on our rights--and to set the precedent that a president can do such a thing.

I think people see your name and automatically read and engage defensively, picking out the worst of your post and reading it in an almost predetermined way.

“Both options should have been considered offensive” has rung true for me for many election cycles, actively since Reagan, even then I was too young to know any better and he should have repulsed me as well.
Obviously, we have to choose Trump here, at this point. (Jorgensen voter here) But the country has moved so far away from its founding values, think of the possibilities of what could be if we could choose between a true patriotic statesman and the fools the left puts up.
Shouldn’t even be a race.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I didn't see it posted anywhere, DC NG reports to the Secretary of the Army. In 2004 when I learned this in the Contingency and Wartime Planners Course I never thought I'd need it.

 

[rooster]

Maybe an RV blowing up in downtown Nashville?

Or shooting a couple of sub stations to plunge us into darkness? Cut a couple gas pipes to make sure we freeze and whole house gas generators don’t run?

Someone has been probing our infrastructure for critical weakness over the last decade and it seems to have accelerated in the last year.

Thousands of Colorado residents without heat after attack on gas service

Thousands of Aspen residents are without heat after an "intentional attack" on gas service lines in the area.

www.google.com

Redirect Notice

Edit: looks like our water systems have been attacked as well in the last decade.

U.S. probes cyber attack on water system

Federal investigators are looking into a report that hackers managed to remotely shut down a utility's water pump in central Illinois last week, in what could be the first known foreign cyber attack on a U.S. industrial system.

www.reuters.com

 

[jamil]

Remember, the Second Amendment was undermined by the Trump administration at Trump's direction.

There wasn't a pro-2A option in November, and that was just as much the fault of Republicans nominating Trump as it was the Democrats nominating Biden. Both options should have been considered offensive, but for some reason I still don't see many Republicans admitting that.

Trumpers aren't Trumpers because of 2A. They perhaps hoped it might be a side benefit, but they chose to stick with him even when he showed that he was willing to ignore the Constitutional process and unilaterally change the law in order to infringe on our rights--and to set the precedent that a president can do such a thing.

We were faced again with a “least evils” choice. Neither were ideal, but one was clearly much worse than the other. We were in no danger of an AWB under Trump. We’re in grave danger of it now. Those are as good as facts.

But there’s a lot of truth in that last paragraph. Several Deplorables (I guess that’s what they want to identify as now) flat out denied that it was even Trump’s doing, as if he would be powerless to direct the FBI NOT to illegally change the definition of a worde defined in the law. He absolutely did Direct the FBI to do it.

And then many Deplorables who could come to terms with that he did it, just made excuses, like that it saved us from even more gun control, praise Trump. The same people were once capable of seeing the folly of appeasement, but because it would taint their image of Trump, they had to find some excuse not to blame him for anything. Such fierce loyalty and devotion tends to do that.

 

[jamil]

Biden wasn't my choice. The most ringing endorsement I ever gave Biden was that if he was elected, then at least pro-gun members of Congress might fight against his agenda (which they didn't do against Trump's anti-gun agenda).

It's just my hope that some of you all will see that Trump is both a dead-end politically and not even a 2A supporter.

Though I generally agree with the sentiment, you’re taking undo liberties calling it an agenda. Trump didn’t have an anti-gun agenda, but his actions against bump stocks made it clear that he’s willing to use anti-gun actions when he thinks it suits him, and use unconstitutional authority to do it, and demonstrate that he’ll be unchallenged by both Republicans and Democrats when he uses unconstitutional actions to do things they approve of.

 

[foszoe]

How is Trump a dead end for the party when he achieved almost 6 million more votes than Obama?

Because he received about 3 million less than Biden.

 

[OurDee]

To add gasoline, I thought he was anti suppressor. I know the difference between President Trump and Biden. I never claimed the President to be the second coming. I said he knows how to manage hotels and as such beats out nigh on every politician I know. I find plenty I do not like about Republicans. The problem I have now is how far left Democrats have gone in those they accept into the party in this day. I call the little political social clubs clicks. Politicians need to answer to the exact same laws as the citizens. They are citizens and nothing more.

Would a UN army in country automatically be considered enemy? Our own military can be outfitted with blue helmets. I often contemplated what I would do if I was handed one back in the day.

 

[jamil]

How is Trump a dead end for the party when he achieved almost 6 million more votes than Obama?

Trump officially became a dead end on January 6, 2021.