Who shot Ashli Babbitt ?

[ghuns]

Seems to be plenty to go around.

 

[JettaKnight]

Offering some Kool-Aide to JeepHammer because it's obvious he hasn't been drinking it?

 

[phylodog]

Lie to yourself all you want to while it's still a mostly free country Jetta.

 

[drillsgt]

Good lord are we loosing it in here today.

JH every where you go you seem to stir the pile and bring back the fly's.

If you disagree with his narrative you are now a racist far-right winger lol

 

[Route 45]

I can say with 100% certainty that if I had made that same shot under those exact same circumstances that I would be awaiting prison.

My use-of-force is the same standard as all LEOs across the country, based on Constitutional protection of the 4th amendment, case law and precedent. There is no federal officer provision for “they may take sensitive intel sources” or in all actuality, being on federal land. Taking that with a grain of salt and that people “could” be shot entering Area 51 or whatever - is it a Constitutional use of force?

Maybe?

 

[churchmouse]

If you disagree with his narrative you are now a racist far-right winger lol

Oh I could give 2 s as to his narrative as it is his and shows the world what and who he is. No worries. Just dont try and force that level of nut job down our throats. This is a 2A friendly forum. Right wingers mostly with some lefty's sprinkled into the sauce here and there for amusement.

My issues come from the push back and the angst it causes. Then everyone jumps on the dog pile.

 

[Route 45]

This thread would be going a whole lot differently if it was Muslims from Minnesota storming the Capitol to get Ted Cruz.

 

[phylodog]

If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I thought stating that Flake was shot in 2017 was pretty clear. If I‘m wrong please help me understand where my research was in error.

When you say “that day” are you speaking of January 6 - because I am not.

I am talking 6-14-2017. Flake was not shot. If he was shot anytime else I am unaware.

Five people shot, including Republican congressman, at baseball practice

On June 14, 2017, a gunman walked onto a baseball field at Eugene Simpson Park in Alexandria, Virginia, opening fire on politicians and wounding House GOP Whip Steve Scalise of Louisiana and four others. The representatives had been practicing for the annual Congressional Baseball Game for...

www.history.com

 

[LP1]

... Why no media inquisition about a black man shooting an unarmed white woman. ...

If there's one thing I've learned, it's that whether or not an assailant turns out to be armed is irrelevant when assessing a self-defense situation. Considering the wave of lunatics that the police were facing, I'm surprised that more of them didn't open fire.

 

[Route 45]

If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped.

Tell me I'm wrong with a straight face.

Now THAT would be

 

[phylodog]

Tell me I'm wrong with a straight face.

Now THAT would be

Any "right wing extremist white supremacists" flown an airplane in to any buildings recently?

You're right, it would have been different and rightfully so. Just like had it been BLM they'd have walked in with little resistance and been heralded as freedom fighters for justice as they burned the capitol building to the ground.

 

[chipbennett]

Good lord are we loosing it in here today.

JH every where you go you seem to stir the pile and bring back the fly's.

Some people need to inject race into everything. Some people do it to troll; some people do it because of psychological projection. I suppose some may have other reasons.

 

[phylodog]

Some people need to inject race into everything. Some people do it to troll; some people do it because of psychological projection. I suppose some may have other reasons.

There's a mountain of hypocrisy coupled with a huge false narrative that makes it pretty tough to ignore what is really going on. Many are afraid to address it, some are not.

 

[chipbennett]

There's a mountain of hypocrisy coupled with a huge false narrative that makes it pretty tough to ignore what is really going on. Many are afraid to address it, some are not.

Yeah, no disagreement with any of that. But race had zilch to do with what happened at the Capitol building.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Any "right wing extremist white supremacists" flown an airplane in to any buildings recently?

You're right, it would have been different and rightfully so. Just like had it been BLM they'd have walked in with little resistance and been heralded as freedom fighters for justice as they burned the capitol building to the ground.

The better question is when has a left-wing, non-white person ever flown a airplane into a building. I think the people who have engaged in such, are closer to your descriptors than mine; at least scientifically/historically washed speaking.

 

[Route 45]

Any "right wing extremist white supremacists" flown an airplane in to any buildings recently?

Well, 2001 isn't exactly recently. How far back are we going? I've got a Ryder truck in Oklahoma that may interest you.

You're right, it would have been different and rightfully so.

Why does the level of force that you feel is justified to defend the US Capitol change depending on who is doing the attacking? Am I misunderstanding your comment?

Just like had it been BLM they'd have walked in with little resistance and been heralded as freedom fighters for justice as they burned the capitol building to the ground.

I see you found some of those flying frogs.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Some people need to inject race into everything. Some people do it to troll; some people do it because of psychological projection. I suppose some may have other reasons.

Ok, serious question.

When someone talks about the oppression of White Christian heterosexuals, does that count?
Or when someone uses a pejorative -tongue in cheek- about their own race, does that count?
When someone goes, "it would be different if they were white," does that also count?

I've seen all numerous times. I'd like to know what the difference is?

As for me, I admittedly have to view my existence through a racial lens in how it's perceived. It something that comes naturally for most Black people. I wish I didn't have to, but its a protection device. I'm the concept is alien to most, if not all of the membership here; so I won't even try to explain it.

 

[smittygj]

I don’t think anyone could claim with certainty that the shooter knew that other Capitol police officers had been injured and was relying on tjat as a rational to employ deadly force.

I guess I would be a little more inclined to agree with those asserting the shoot was righteous if several of the shooter’s fellow officers hadn’t let the protesters/demonstrators/rioters, etc (you pic the adjective) had been let into the Capitol and, one could argue, even escorted them. Video I saw made it look like the Capitol police at some of the entrances were acting more like tour guides.

From what I am lead to believe, Capitol Police are a lot like mall cops. Most of their daily duties probably include writing traffic tickets and having cars towed from assigned parking spaces of important politicians and their staff. I’d be willing to bet less than 1% have ever made a felony arrest.

This perfect storm wasn’t created by Trump. It occurred because officials failed to plan and enact sufficient crowd control measures up including requesting sufficient reserves from multiple agencies.

He would not have known.

"In a statement the day after the insurrection, Capitol Police said that Sicknick had been "injured while physically engaging with protesters" and collapsed as a result of his injuries sometime after returning to his office. He died the next day in a local hospital."

So Officer Sicknick had already returned to his office after the riot before he collapsed.

 

[bmbutch]

The better question is when has a left-wing, non-white person ever flown a airplane into a building. I think the people who have engaged in such, are closer to your descriptors than mine; at least scientifically/historically washed speaking.

I never thought I would be an “ignore list type”, but I’ve used it extensively over last few days.
You are obviously not on it.
While I rarely agree with you, I do normally see where you’re coming from and at least understand-ish your points.
I’m hoping I’m interpreting this post wrong, are you saying the Radical Islamists that destroyed the WTC are akin to those that entered the Capitol?