Who shot Ashli Babbitt ?

[Kutnupe14]

Is that going to console you when you're living in BLM's America?

If we're not even willing to act like something is wrong when our own get gunned down for protesting, then it's already over. We've already surrendered. Their side can kill our side with impunity and our response is "well they probably deserved it". No political movement can survive when it won't even acknowledge it's own right to life.

So, I guess you’re not backing the blue anymore?

 

[JettaKnight]

As opposed to supporting no one and nothing while always staking out some imaginary middle ground

More like being able to think critically, and willing to see things from another POV.


Throughout history, no one person or group has every been 100% right, yet there's plenty who see themselves or their "team" as always right.


The middle has it's own team; just as arrogant about things, too.

 

[amboy49]

The only thing hurt on Flake that day was his views on gun control.
We need more Steve Scalise thinking

I thought stating that Flake was shot in 2017 was pretty clear. If I‘m wrong please help me understand where my research was in error.

When you say “that day” are you speaking of January 6 - because I am not.

 

[kickbacked]

Convince me that if a Caucasian Capitol policeman shot an unarmed black person there would not be riots in the streets. Please provide commentary that would make me believe the general news media and talk show pundits wouldn’t have hammered this incident. I will wait.

Killing of Miriam Carey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Im still waiting

 

[jsx1043]

20 year LEO, SWAT/K9/Dignitary Protection, among a vast folder full of more titles and experience:

It’s a bad shoot. There was no deadly threat present, even faced with a mob. There may be criminal action present, but no one’s life was in IMMEDIATE danger. Give it another ten feet and they mob is now beating on you? Sure, there’s your threat.

A mob does not an immediate threat make. Sure, you feel for your safety, but unless you are being acted upon, there is no threat to your life. In fact, thousands of officers over the summer of love were legitimately faced with deadly force attacks by rocks, bottles, poles, batons, molotovs, homemade chemical weapons and even firearms and yet not a single one shot an actual armed “protestor” that was literally attacking them, let alone an unarmed person.

That officer did not do his job correctly. Suit and tie guys are there to provide dignitary protection for those folks. He did not correctly evacuate his principal to an effective area, and IF he was caught in a room and unable to evacuate to another safe area, then your job is to make it a hard point. Close, lock and barricade the door. Barricading a glass front hallway door is not an effective hard point. That officer and his principal should’ve been long gone by the time the crowd reached that point.

 

[kickbacked]

20 year LEO, SWAT/K9/Dignitary Protection, among a vast folder full of more titles and experience:

It’s a bad shoot. There was no deadly threat present, even faced with a mob. There may be criminal action present, but no one’s life was in IMMEDIATE danger. Give it another ten feet and they mob is now beating on you? Sure, there’s your threat.

A mob does not an immediate threat make. Sure, you feel for your safety, but unless you are being acted upon, there is no threat to your life. In fact, thousands of officers over the summer of love were legitimately faced with deadly force attacks by rocks, bottles, poles, batons, molotovs, homemade chemical weapons and even firearms and yet not a single one shot an actual armed “protestor” that was literally attacking them, let alone an unarmed person.

That officer did not do his job correctly. Suit and tie guys are there to provide dignitary protection for those folks. He did not correctly evacuate his principal to an effective area, and IF he was caught in a room and unable to evacuate to another safe area, then your job is to make it a hard point. Close, lock and barricade the door. Barricading a glass front hallway door is not an effective hard point. That officer and his principal should’ve been long gone by the time the crowd reached that point.

Can you say with 100% certainty that it was a bad shoot without knowing what was in that hallway? No one's life needs to be in immediate danger for the government to shoot you in a building where people with high level security clearances work. Plenty of documents, laptops, etc that they will have no problem shooting you to protect.

 

[jsx1043]

I can say with 100% certainty that if I had made that same shot under those exact same circumstances that I would be awaiting prison.

My use-of-force is the same standard as all LEOs across the country, based on Constitutional protection of the 4th amendment, case law and precedent. There is no federal officer provision for “they may take sensitive intel sources” or in all actuality, being on federal land. Taking that with a grain of salt and that people “could” be shot entering Area 51 or whatever - is it a Constitutional use of force?

 

[JeepHammer]

I have been amazed how absolutely silent the media has been about the shooting death of Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol last week from the standpoint of information about the shooter. The media pundits and left wing talk show wags have all exclaimed the travesty of Babbitt being in the Capitol building and, therefore, asserting her death was justifiable. Little, to no, mention has been made of the shooter who is a member of the Capitol police force. A little research revealed quite a bit about David Bailey who is a Brazilian immigrant. Bailey was on duty when Trump supporters ( rioters, dissidents fascists, - choose your own adjective) entered the Capitol. Babbitt was unarmed when Bailey pointed his service weapon and fired one round killing her.

A little rearch on Bailey reveals he is a staunch anti Trump radical who is a firm supporter of Black Lives Matter. He has called for violence against Trump supporters on his Facebook and Twitter posts. Bailey, who was on duty with the D.C. Capitol police force, was also present during the shooting of Republican Congressman Jeff Flake in 2017. What I don’t understand is where in the Hell is the public outcry, the media objection, and the Republican response as a result of the killing ? Not hard to figure out the last group, though, when you consider it’s been revealed McConnell is planning on attending Biden’s prayer breakfast tomorrow rather than being at Trump’s D.c. send off. By any causal observance I can’t come to any rational conclusion other than what Bailey did was unjustifiable And he should be prosecuted.

Swamp ? Doesn’t even begin to describe what is the reality of the national political scene.

I just got done reading a long dissertation about this shooting, and the terrorist propaganda around it.
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So, any proof/links to the claims you make about BLM supporter, anti-Trump supporter, ect?
Three different law enforcement investigations found nothing of the kind, and they had subpoenas...

And YES, it was an armed insurgency into the US capitol building, several weapons were used, found including firearms, knives, etc.
Your forgot to mention a CAPITAL POLICE OFFICER HAD ALREADY BEEN MURDERED, and several wounded when that shot was fired.

The officer fearing for his life was VERY warranted, and showed great restraint only firing ONE shot.

The claim Babbitt was "Unarmed" is unsupported, since the scene wasn't secured, instead overrun with even more 'Insurgents' (Terrorists).
Any one of all of the weapons used/found could very well have been hers, if you want to get into hypotheticals.
PROVE any or all of the weapons on scene weren't here,
Once you can conclusively do that, then you *Might* have a claim she was 'Unarmed', but then there is the fact she was part of the terrorist mob that already MURDERED a police officer.

I call BS in the immigrant, race/racists card YOU played.
The man was vetted, qualified, trained and capable of passing into the capitol police, despite the handicap of being an immigrant (if that's true) and in spite of his race.
Attacking/Murdering police officers is always 100% proof positive the officer was in REAL FEAR FOR HIS LIFE.


The actual facts are,
She was part of an armed Terrorists mob.
She may or many not have been armed, and at least two pictures of her exist carding a metal pipe for her protest poster.

The round that killed her *Might* not have been intended for her, but since she was participating in an armed terrorist action her family has zero legal recourse/standing.

She made her bed, now she will lie in it until the end of time.

I have ZERO uncommon with someone that tries to justify criminal/terrorist actions or the hair brained claims made after the action, and with exactly ZERO facts to back up those claims.
Fake 'News', just plain propaganda from the idiots that got it all going in then first place...

 

[Ark]

I just got done reading a long dissertation about this shooting, and the terrorist propaganda around it.
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So, any proof/links to the claims you make about BLM supporter, anti-Trump supporter, ect?
Three different law enforcement investigations found nothing of the kind, and they had subpoenas...

And YES, it was an armed insurgency into the US capitol building, several weapons were used, found including firearms, knives, etc.
Your forgot to mention a CAPITAL POLICE OFFICER HAD ALREADY BEEN MURDERED, and several wounded when that shot was fired.

The officer fearing for his life was VERY warranted, and showed great restraint only firing ONE shot.

The claim Babbitt was "Unarmed" is unsupported, since the scene wasn't secured, instead overrun with even more 'Insurgents' (Terrorists).
Any one of all of the weapons used/found could very well have been hers, if you want to get into hypotheticals.
PROVE any or all of the weapons on scene weren't here,
Once you can conclusively do that, then you *Might* have a claim she was 'Unarmed', but then there is the fact she was part of the terrorist mob that already MURDERED a police officer.

I call BS in the immigrant, race/racists card YOU played.
The man was vetted, qualified, trained and capable of passing into the capitol police, despite the handicap of being an immigrant (if that's true) and in spite of his race.
Attacking/Murdering police officers is always 100% proof positive the officer was in REAL FEAR FOR HIS LIFE.


The actual facts are,
She was part of an armed Terrorists mob.
She may or many not have been armed, and at least two pictures of her exist carding a metal pipe for her protest poster.

The round that killed her *Might* not have been intended for her, but since she was participating in an armed terrorist action her family has zero legal recourse/standing.

She made her bed, now she will lie in it until the end of time.

I have ZERO uncommon with someone that tries to justify criminal/terrorist actions or the hair brained claims made after the action, and with exactly ZERO facts to back up those claims.
Fake 'News', just plain propaganda from the idiots that got it all going in then first place...

This post is probably the worst jug of MSM kool-aid I have ever seen on this site.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I just got done reading a long dissertation about this shooting, and the terrorist propaganda around it.
--------

So, any proof/links to the claims you make about BLM supporter, anti-Trump supporter, ect?
Three different law enforcement investigations found nothing of the kind, and they had subpoenas...

And YES, it was an armed insurgency into the US capitol building, several weapons were used, found including firearms, knives, etc.
Your forgot to mention a CAPITAL POLICE OFFICER HAD ALREADY BEEN MURDERED, and several wounded when that shot was fired.

The officer fearing for his life was VERY warranted, and showed great restraint only firing ONE shot.

The claim Babbitt was "Unarmed" is unsupported, since the scene wasn't secured, instead overrun with even more 'Insurgents' (Terrorists).
Any one of all of the weapons used/found could very well have been hers, if you want to get into hypotheticals.
PROVE any or all of the weapons on scene weren't here,
Once you can conclusively do that, then you *Might* have a claim she was 'Unarmed', but then there is the fact she was part of the terrorist mob that already MURDERED a police officer.

I call BS in the immigrant, race/racists card YOU played.
The man was vetted, qualified, trained and capable of passing into the capitol police, despite the handicap of being an immigrant (if that's true) and in spite of his race.
Attacking/Murdering police officers is always 100% proof positive the officer was in REAL FEAR FOR HIS LIFE.


The actual facts are,
She was part of an armed Terrorists mob.
She may or many not have been armed, and at least two pictures of her exist carding a metal pipe for her protest poster.

The round that killed her *Might* not have been intended for her, but since she was participating in an armed terrorist action her family has zero legal recourse/standing.

She made her bed, now she will lie in it until the end of time.

I have ZERO uncommon with someone that tries to justify criminal/terrorist actions or the hair brained claims made after the action, and with exactly ZERO facts to back up those claims.
Fake 'News', just plain propaganda from the idiots that got it all going in then first place...

I did not bookmark the article since I did not entertain the idea of using it to prove a point down the road, but I did read an article featuring one particular BLM guy with his mugshot and the text indicating that among other things a recognized BLM spokesman was on record disowning him the sense of were done with this fool as opposed to we don't know him.

 

[Kutnupe14]

20 year LEO, SWAT/K9/Dignitary Protection, among a vast folder full of more titles and experience:

It’s a bad shoot. There was no deadly threat present, even faced with a mob. There may be criminal action present, but no one’s life was in IMMEDIATE danger. Give it another ten feet and they mob is now beating on you? Sure, there’s your threat.

A mob does not an immediate threat make. Sure, you feel for your safety, but unless you are being acted upon, there is no threat to your life. In fact, thousands of officers over the summer of love were legitimately faced with deadly force attacks by rocks, bottles, poles, batons, molotovs, homemade chemical weapons and even firearms and yet not a single one shot an actual armed “protestor” that was literally attacking them, let alone an unarmed person.

That officer did not do his job correctly. Suit and tie guys are there to provide dignitary protection for those folks. He did not correctly evacuate his principal to an effective area, and IF he was caught in a room and unable to evacuate to another safe area, then your job is to make it a hard point. Close, lock and barricade the door. Barricading a glass front hallway door is not an effective hard point. That officer and his principal should’ve been long gone by the time the crowd reached that point.

So you're saying that he had a duty to retreat, or just suggesting that he should have? I'm trying to lock down your position, because you're speaking with certainly of mind.
Let's look at the situation, an large crowd marches to the Capitol building, and engages officers, numerous officers are hurt, that crowd then breaches the Capitol, and in the case of the area where Babbitt was in, the crowd begins to try to break down the door. A window is broken out, and Babbitt attempts to enter through it, where she is subsequently shot.
You call it a bad shoot, I disagree. Here's my logic. When is deadly force justified? Typically its when one believes it necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury. In my opinion, in order for you to be right, you need a reasonable person to believe that a crowd actively fighting and injuring officers, that subsequently breaks into a secure building, is (on video) taking about shooting and finding people within that building, and are attempting to get past barricaded doors, ISN'T something that one would be in fear of death or SBI to themselves or another. I just don't see it.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I can say with 100% certainty that if I had made that same shot under those exact same circumstances that I would be awaiting prison.

My use-of-force is the same standard as all LEOs across the country, based on Constitutional protection of the 4th amendment, case law and precedent. There is no federal officer provision for “they may take sensitive intel sources” or in all actuality, being on federal land. Taking that with a grain of salt and that people “could” be shot entering Area 51 or whatever - is it a Constitutional use of force?

Ok, you'll have to clarify, because this isn't reading the way I think you want it read.

 

[amboy49]

I don’t think anyone could claim with certainty that the shooter knew that other Capitol police officers had been injured and was relying on tjat as a rational to employ deadly force.

I guess I would be a little more inclined to agree with those asserting the shoot was righteous if several of the shooter’s fellow officers hadn’t let the protesters/demonstrators/rioters, etc (you pic the adjective) had been let into the Capitol and, one could argue, even escorted them. Video I saw made it look like the Capitol police at some of the entrances were acting more like tour guides.

From what I am lead to believe, Capitol Police are a lot like mall cops. Most of their daily duties probably include writing traffic tickets and having cars towed from assigned parking spaces of important politicians and their staff. I’d be willing to bet less than 1% have ever made a felony arrest.

This perfect storm wasn’t created by Trump. It occurred because officials failed to plan and enact sufficient crowd control measures up including requesting sufficient reserves from multiple agencies.

 

[indyblue]

Your forgot to mention a CAPITAL POLICE OFFICER HAD ALREADY BEEN MURDERED, and several wounded when that shot was fired.

That officer did not die until the next day, so they could not have known about any such thing happening.

 

[Ark]

That officer did not die until the next day, so they could not have known about any such thing happening.

Nor does an officer being injured or killed at Location A give you permission to shoot unarmed women at Location B. The behavior of other people in a different place does not allow you to open fire on unarmed people where you are, nor can you cite various unknowns as a justification. There has to be an actual threat of death or severe bodily injury to yourself or an innocent, immediately, at your location, from the person you shoot.

It takes an extreme degree of mental gymnastics to justify this shooting, and I stand by my conviction that those gymnastics are being undertaken primarily to support the belief that she deserved it for her politics.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That officer did not die until the next day, so they could not have known about any such thing happening.

This is true, but there is a high likelihood that they were aware of numerous officers being injured, via radio chatter.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Nor does an officer being injured or killed at Location A give you permission to shoot unarmed women at Location B. The behavior of other people in a different place does not allow you to open fire on unarmed people where you are, nor can you cite various unknowns as a justification. There has to be an actual threat of death or severe bodily injury to yourself or an innocent, immediately, at your location, from the person you shoot.

It takes an extreme degree of mental gymnastics to justify this shooting, and I stand by my conviction that those gymnastics are being undertaken primarily to support the belief that she deserved it for her politics.

Correction, there doesn’t HAVE to be a threat of.... There has to be a BELIEF....

The mental gymnastics needed to justify this shooting in right around a hop, skip, and possibly a jump.

 

[JeepHammer]

Simply racist, far right crap.

Just like when the white cop walked into a unarmed black man's apartment and shot him to death while he ate ice cream on his own couch,
And guys here sided with the white cop because the victim was a black immigrant, making excuses, passing BS, ect.

Now black immigrant cop, doing his job with 100% justification to shoot,
Shoots white terrorist woman in commission of several felonies,

Traveled from California to answer the Qanon call to murder speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi, Hang vice president Mike Pense, ect...
She, her own self, stated the purpose of her trip to DC, in her own words...

And because she was white, and the police officer is black/immigrant,
They are trying to twist the facts to support the white terrorist that died.

Now, as to above,
Officer Brian D. Sicknick was injured on 6 Jan, didn't get taken off life support until 7 Jan.
(More alternative history/conspiracy theory crap stated above)

Every capitol police officer was equipped with a radio,
Every capitol police officer was aware Brian D. Sicknick was beaten and he had been recovered, sent to hospital after collapsing.

This attack/beating took place on 6 Jan, outside the capitol building BEFORE terrorists stormed the capitol building.

The female terrorist then entered the capitol building THROUGH A BROKEN WINDOW (not a 'Tour' from the front door as the crap stated above)

That window entry is in video,
'Tourists' don't break in through windows, but murdering terrorist do...

Then she proceeded with the terrorist mob in pursuit of capitol police, searching out legislators for capture/kill.

The female terrorist took a bullet well INSIDE the capitol building, in the presents of other terrorists in a mob.

It's not even close,
The shooting officer is in the right,
The terrorist was 100% wrong,
The terrorist caused her own death,
Suicide by stupidity.

Officer Brian D. Sicknick is still a murder victim, murdered by the same terrorist mob she was a part of that was hunting US legislators.

Then officers would have been 100% in the right, just not legal, to open fire on the terrorist mob.

......

It's not like a racist cop choking a handcuffed black man to death for 10 minutes on video,
And people here supported that murdering cop...

No wonder people are ready to do violence against these self entitled, white supremacist, Qanon, far right wingers that have no issue with murdering anyone...

What do you do with NAZIs, white supremacists, 'Rebels', etc?

Why, shoot them in the nuts of course!

It's not murder, and you are doing the human race a favor by skimming the gene pool.

 

[phylodog]

 

[churchmouse]

Good lord are we loosing it in here today.

JH every where you go you seem to stir the pile and bring back the fly's.