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  • Vanguard.45

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    Here's a few examples for you.

    Hopefully these are "real life experiences" we can all learn something from.

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    PORT ORCHARD, Wash. -- Kitsap County Sheriff Steve Boyer says one of the deputies wounded in the shootout at the Port Orchard Walmart was so focused on giving first aid to his partner that he didn't realize how badly he had been hit.
    The deputies were shot Sunday in a confrontation with 31-year-old Anthony Martinez, of Salt Lake City. Martinez was shot and killed by a third deputy, and a young woman died of a gunshot wound.
    One deputy has been released the hospital and the other should be out in a day or two.
    Boyer tells KIRO-TV that after he had been shot, one deputy began aiding the more seriously wounded officer. Boyer says he was concentrating so hard that he didn't realize the extent of his own wound.

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    OTTAWA -- A Canadian man injured in a brazen daytime drug-land assassination in Mexico says he didn't realize he'd been shot until he saw the blood flowing from his wound.
    Mike Di Lorenzo told QMI Agency he was vacationing in the town of Mazatlan in the western part of the country when he and his wife decided to stroll down to the shops last Sunday.
    The couple were on a busy side street away from the tourist district when they heard gunfire.
    "My reaction was to push my wife against the brick wall to protect her," the 69-year-old B.C.- native said over the phone from a hospital in Mazatlan, 1,000 km northwest of Mexico City.
    "I didn't think I'd been hit and I thought that (my wife) was fine. Except a few seconds later I realized my leg was injured and I was losing a lot of blood," he said.
    Di Lorenzo is now recovering after a successful surgery Tuesday to repair the bone in his calf shattered by the bullet.
    Josephina, his wife, said that even days later, she's shaken by the shooting.
    "I jump every time I hear a noise. I'm definitely going to go see a psychologist," she said.
    Mexican authorities said Wednesday Di Lorenzo and another bystander had been caught in a "settling of accounts" between rival drug gangs. A 25-year-old gang member was killed in the incident.
    The city's tourism board has promised to cover the costs of the couple's return travel expenses.

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    Student shot at West Bladen HS, but didn't realize it until he got on the bus

    BLADEN COUNTY, NC (WWAY) -- The Superintendent of Bladen County Schools said one student was shot Tuesday afternoon at West Bladen High School as school was getting out out around 3 p.m.
    "It sounded like a firecracker," Greg Killingsworth said. "The young man who was shot rode the bus home, went to his home and his mother brought him back to school, and he was transported from the school to the hospital."
    Investigators are questioning two other West Bladen students, who are in custody.
    The superintendent said the student was shot in the back, and the bullet is lodged in his kidney. He was airlifted to New Hanover Regional Medical Center Tuesday evening. WWAY was at the hospital when the student was flown in.

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    EDMONTON — A woman shot outside the River Cree Casino on the Enoch reserve during a burst of gunfire that killed an Edmonton resident two years ago did not realize she had been hit with a bullet.
    "I didn't feel pain, I didn't know I was shot. Subconsciously, I guess, my body was telling me to touch my side," Munira Omar testified Tuesday during the Court of Queen's Bench murder trial of Adam Michael Brown, 23, and Alexander Edward Colin Reid, 22.
    When she touched her side, Omar felt blood, but didn't realize she had been shot. Omar said she hadn't heard any gunfire.

    Unfortunately (or fortunately), we can't all be you, jeremy. We can't all be on the front lines of every major world conflict simultaneously as you apparently are (or were). Some of us learn through the experiences of others. It's called "reading."

    Your experiences may be unique or common. I offer my advice on behalf of those in the stories above as well as from my own experiences in law enforcement where I have responded to situations where victims were not aware of their injuries, whether they be gunshot wounds, knife wounds, or broken bones.

    We can't all be the baddest mo-fo in the world as I am sure you are.

    Good luck to you. I hope you resist your urges to shoot others. And I hope you learn compassion.

    Vanguard.45

     

    Bunnykid68

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    If I murdered someone I might feel something. If I kill someone I would feel scared because the scumbags family is going to come after me in the court system, not to mention what the local DA may have in mind.
     

    Bunnykid68

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    I agree with Vanguard.45 though about not knowing you were injured. It has happened to most people in one way or another. Adrenaline is a great drug produced by your body that will keep you from knowing you are injured
     

    jeremy

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    Unfortunately (or fortunately), we can't all be you, jeremy. We can't all be on the front lines of every major world conflict simultaneously as you apparently are (or were). Some of us learn through the experiences of others. It's called "reading."

    There is nothing wrong with reading to learn. But like all education, real world experience plays a large part of it. What I got from the Stories you just shared is that the Individuals were so focused on more important tasks/emotions that they just ignored the pain.

    We can't all be the baddest mo-fo in the world as I am sure you are.

    Good luck to you. I hope you resist your urges to shoot others. And I hope you learn compassion.

    Vanguard.45

    As far as being the Baddest Mo-fo in the World?! That is not me. If it was I am sure I would not be a Dumb Mechanic…

    I know what Compassion is, I even have quite a bit of it. I stated earlier that I have no Sympathy for anyone that may have chosen to do harm to me or mine. That still stands true. Just cause I choose when to dole out Sympathy does not make me a lesser Person, nor does it make one a Psycho. I am what everyone is that is Honest with their selves, Human. Are you telling me you have never, not ever seen someone you would absolutely just love to walk up to and cap?! Be honest… Everybody thinks of it at least once. Everybody. Just like Suicide.
     

    Vanguard.45

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    Having anger towards someone else is completely normal.

    Having the desire to stop a threat is normal.

    Having some primal instinct to strike out in violence is normal.

    My point is that crossing the boundary into actually taking a life has a cost. It is a cost soldiers and law enforcement officers pay in order that hopefully others do not have to. To ignore this psychological cost creates a whole new set of beasties that will eat a person up if they are not acknowledged.

    My points in my original post are simply:

    1. Asking to get checked out by a doctor is a wise move for a multitude of purposes.
    2. Letting law enforcement know you were involved is smart because they will most likely need to take your weapon for a while to verify its use in the incident. It also makes you look cooperative and not someone attempting to hide something.
    3. Asking for an attorney before making any sort of lengthy statement is a wise move.
    4. Being a mechanic is not dumb. It is a noble profession that takes brains and one that keeps This Man's Army rolling. Without you, Rambo doesn't get to the front lines. Then we miss out on all of those totally believable movies about a one man army defeating a sheriff's department, the Vietnamese Army, the Russian Army, and the Burmese Army!

    Totally believable!;)

    I think I read that somewhere!

    Be well. Great debating with you. You made some good points.

    Vanguard.45
     

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    I did 3 consecutive combat tours once. So I've had the displeasure of seeing guys take hits when excited, and also when completely relaxed; as in eating a meal, etc... Some knew, some didn't. Not at first, anyway. I've read that victims of lion attacks say there is little pain at first. Others, like Harry Wolhuter, report excruciating pain.

    To the OP: that list looks workable to me. I might add, holster the pistol as soon as you can and get your back against a wall in case the bad guy(s) have buddies in the crowd. Which may or may not form. If you think they have friends in the crowd: either don't holster the gun, or keep your hand on it. Render first aid if possible to do without putting yourself at greater risk.
     

    jeremy

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    Having the desire to stop a threat is normal.

    Having some primal instinct to strike out in violence is normal.

    My point is that crossing the boundary into actually taking a life has a cost. It is a cost soldiers and law enforcement officers pay in order that hopefully others do not have to. To ignore this psychological cost creates a whole new set of beasties that will eat a person up if they are not acknowledged.
    See here is a point at which I think you and I will never agree.

    I am old enough to have the tail end of the ROAD 'Nam Vets (By The Way these were some of those Bad Mo-Fo's you referenced earlier). We had some genuine Highly decorated snakes for a very young private to attempt to stay on their good side (not sure I ever did either). Never seen any of them with Psychological Issues. I have no Crazy Issues. Well other than that one Moron that is apparently always in traffic ahead of me doing 30 under the posted speed limit...

    That and I think Grossman is an Idiot... :dunno:
    Met him repeatedly when he was still in Uniform. I am sure you have heard this before those that can DO, those that can't TEACH. ;)
    My points in my original post are simply:

    1. Asking to get checked out by a doctor is a wise move for a multitude of purposes.
    2. Letting law enforcement know you were involved is smart because they will most likely need to take your weapon for a while to verify its use in the incident. It also makes you look cooperative and not someone attempting to hide something.
    3. Asking for an attorney before making any sort of lengthy statement is a wise move.
    4. Being a mechanic is not dumb. It is a noble profession that takes brains and one that keeps This Man's Army rolling. Without you, Rambo doesn't get to the front lines. Then we miss out on all of those totally believable movies about a one man army defeating a sheriff's department, the Vietnamese Army, the Russian Army, and the Burmese Army!

    Totally believable!;)

    I think I read that somewhere!

    Be well. Great debating with you. You made some good points.

    Vanguard.45

    I have no real issues with number 1. I don't think that is were we ran into our Issue...
    2 and 3...
    I still think it would be better fro 3 to say anything to LE. I know the Legal System can do funny things with anything that one can and will say...

    And number 4...
    A hint for you...
    You might ask around to any Vets you know...
    Not all Career Mechanics Join the Army as Mechanics... ;)

    And do not even get me started on how much of a Pansy Rambo is! :D
     

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    "someone broke into my house scenario. That or, I was mugged on the street walking home."

    To me, those are 2 radically different scenarios.
    I would not respond to both of them in the same manner.
     

    rambone

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    I personally wouldn't go to a hospital unless it was obviously necessary. I can look at myself and see if there are any leaks. I'd rather save myself extra hours of my time and several thousands of dollars. Get in touch with a lawyer instead. Its just a flesh wound.

    Also, helping a wounded thug sounds like more of a risk than anything. Don't discount the possibility that he could have a second weapon. You need to be alert and remain in defensive mode.
     

    mrortega

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    you can kick the weapon with your foot enough to get it out of his reach. Remember to shoot till the threat is gone, if you put two mags in the guy you better be able to articulate why you shot him 20 times when after 3 shots he was on his back and no longer a threat. Also try to keep a witness other than a wife or significant other till the police arrive or atleast try and get contact info from people around you that saw the whole thing,

    If the witness tries to get away you might have to "wing" him and hold him at gun-point:laugh:
     

    ProLibertate

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    I personally wouldn't go to a hospital unless it was obviously necessary. I can look at myself and see if there are any leaks. I'd rather save myself extra hours of my time and several thousands of dollars. Get in touch with a lawyer instead. Its just a flesh wound.

    Also, helping a wounded thug sounds like more of a risk than anything. Don't discount the possibility that he could have a second weapon. You need to be alert and remain in defensive mode.

    This. Seriously.
    I can't say this enough: You are under NO legal obligation to render aid to an assailant who just tried to take your life.
    If it was a good shoot, you don't need to worry about trying to revive the suspect to help your defense. You are already justified under the law.
    People can play possum too, and unconscious people can wake up- often violently.
    The suspect is not an innocent accident victim... The suspect is someone who just tried to violently kill you- and likely will try to do so again should they wake up.
    Wait. For. Backup.
    Keep your guard up. The threat is not over until the scene is secure.
    :twocents:
     

    HICKMAN

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    Watch, listen and learn:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW_xaTf5oqI]YouTube - Massad Ayoob - Judicious Use of Force. Part [1][/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJIyxm2s_M]YouTube - Massad Ayoob - Judicious Use of Force. Part [2][/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNCRL9SN2QA]YouTube - Massad Ayoob - Judicious Use of Force. Part [3][/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJazmbDH7S8]YouTube - Massad Ayoob - Judicious Use of Force. Part [4][/ame]
     

    U.S. Patriot

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    The way I look at it is this. Attorney or not, if they want to hang you out to dry, you are probably screwed anyways. Unless an Attorney wants to work for free, There is no way I could afford one. My .02.
     

    IndyGunner

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    Great videos hickman, very informative. However, that guy is SOOO sweet ahahaha, "listen to my voice, im going to hold my belt and drink in between talking."
     
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