What can be done to prevent criminals from obtaining firearms easily?

[Spanky46151]

Vigorously enforce the current gun laws! Prosecute to the fullest extent. Often, in crimes involving firearms, the gun offense is the first thing they plea bargain away.

 

[reesez]

The last and only firearm I sold was to my veterinarian. He's a good guy, and I trust him.

 

[schwaky18]

Mandatory sentence enhancement of 25 years in prison, non-suspendable, for criminals who use a gun in a crime.

 

[SideArmed]

Do you think it would be easier to steal a gun, or post a ad in the classifieds that said

WTB: Hi Point, have $350 cash.

Which would be safer/easier for the bad guy? Risking his life breaking into somebody's home to steal a firearm, or walk into a gunshow and buy one with cash and walk out? Both of these actions are illegal, but what I'm getting at is that there is no law that really keeps the second action in check and the whole point of my thread was addressing that one topic. it wasn't addressing theft which to me it would seem stealing a gun would be inherently more risky then just buying one from a person I met online.

But the title of your thread is:

What can be done to prevent criminals from obtaining firearms easily?

And the title of your poll is:

Can anything be done to mitigate the proliferation of arms yet keep

I offered an "easy" (as suggested in your thread title) solution to help "mitigate the proliferation of arms" & keep guns out of criminal hands.

Oh and I also voted Bacon in your poll, that way I would not scew the other results, then offered my .

And yes, your OP was too long and I didn't read it.

 

[debeerman]

take a hot branding iron that says no guns allowed and brand both of thier hands

 

[Whitsettd8]

Ban criminals from the United States. Instead of locking them up put them on a C-130 drop them in say North Korea or Iran and not let them back in the US until there sentence is served.....

 

[Hohn]

You can't stop the proliferation of arms. They are already proliferated.

But we can START the proliferation of civility and respect that should accompany a highly armed society.

 

[KoopaKGB]

take a hot branding iron that says no guns allowed and brand both of thier hands

Wow that is seriously a good idea! No purple here, I didn't think of that but thats good. Might be a tad cruel and unusual. Boom, convicted violent felon, gets the branding iron to "mark" him or her as a prohibited person. Now when he/she gets released from prison they're marked as a prohibited person for all potential sellers to see.

 

[KoopaKGB]

But the title of your thread is:

And the title of your poll is:


I offered an "easy" (as suggested in your thread title) solution to help "mitigate the proliferation of arms" & keep guns out of criminal hands.

Oh and I also voted Bacon in your poll, that way I would not scew the other results, then offered my .

And yes, your OP was too long and I didn't read it.

Thanks for your honesty! This is my first poll I've ever done so some mistakes were made with the titles, I should have just copied and paste the title of the thread into the title of the poll.

 

[sepe]

Require a secure id card, like the military id cards, be issued after a background check by the state police firearms section. All transactions must go through a dealer and the card be verified at the time of the transaction. The card can be linked to a database that has a current photo on file, be linked to state database that red flags if the person has been convicted of a felony or other charge that would not allow them to purchase or carry a firearm. This card would also act as their CCW permit. (always hated those pink paper cards)

You could put this in place and if I were a felon, I could still get a gun with a few phone calls. I've got an aunt that lives in the UK and I've spent some time in Australia. Those super duper illegal guns are available if you know where to go and have the money. More hoops for law abiding citizens is NOT a deterrent to a criminal. Never has been, never will be.

 

[Classic]

1. Enforce current firearms laws - stop plea bargaining them away.
2. Keep criminals locked up for the full sentence - too much recidivism to take the chance.
3. Stop looking for ways to penalize legitimate firearms owners because criminals do bad things.

 

[Avar]

I do not see this as a "gun issue". Criminals will commit crimes, wether they have a weapon or not. Deterring crime is the real issue at hand. No matter how difficult we make it to purchase a firearm, criminals will find a way. No, I do not have the answer to the real problem, but I would like us to focus on the real issue and stop making gun ownership the target. (Pun intended)

 

[thatgtrguy]

Nothing can be done to stem illegal sales. It's why black markets exist.

Just look at the war on drugs. How much money thrown at it every year?

 

[iChokePeople]

You could put this in place and if I were a felon, I could still get a gun with a few phone calls. I've got an aunt that lives in the UK and I've spent some time in Australia. Those super duper illegal guns are available if you know where to go and have the money. More hoops for law abiding citizens is NOT a deterrent to a criminal. Never has been, never will be.

+1. Why do so many of us fail to grasp this simple concept?

 

[KoopaKGB]

You could put this in place and if I were a felon, I could still get a gun with a few phone calls. I've got an aunt that lives in the UK and I've spent some time in Australia. Those super duper illegal guns are available if you know where to go and have the money. More hoops for law abiding citizens is NOT a deterrent to a criminal. Never has been, never will be.

So you are telling me background checks have not one time stopped a prohibited person from buying a firearm from FFL who is required to run the check?

1. Enforce current firearms laws - stop plea bargaining them away.
2. Keep criminals locked up for the full sentence - too much recidivism to take the chance.
3. Stop looking for ways to penalize legitimate firearms owners because criminals do bad things.

1. Agree current laws need to be enforced. I remember reading Obama's proposals from his 23 actions, most of them were bs. Then I read "appoint a director of the ATF", and I thought WHY the heck is there not a director of the ATF? I actually learned why the ATF is so weak. There Goes the Boom - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 01/16/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

2. Our system is a failure, we need to address why. In the mean time our prisons are overflowing. I guess we could take tax money and build more prisons to help address this.

3. Gun laws can go both ways and I think they need to. Harsher on requiring a person to merely look at an LTCH, or looser allowing citizens to carry in national parks, or other states etc. Or how about doing away with 922r compliance or other such laws? I think arguments could be made for those kinds of things too.

 

[KoopaKGB]

Nothing can be done to stem illegal sales. It's why black markets exist.

Just look at the war on drugs. How much money thrown at it every year?

Thats ture, this kind of law would make the blackmarket guns grow in value. I mean I have no idea on who I would talk to if I wanted to buy crack cocaine. However if i wanted to buy a gun I'd just look for a sign that said gun show this weekend etc, walk in with cash and walk away with a gun. I don't even know who I would talk to if I truely wanted to obtain an illegal machinegun but apparently they are easy to get like cocaine or other illegal guns are.

 

[iChokePeople]

So you are telling me background checks have not one time stopped a prohibited person from buying a firearm from FFL who is required to run the check?

He's not saying anything of the kind. But every one of them who really wanted one had one two hours later. And the guys you REALLY want to stop never go to those dealers in the first place.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Put the criminals in prison. There's almost no firearms there at all.

Keep them in jail...

I think these 2 post here solve the problem. I am not talking about pot smokers and breakers of other silly laws that punish people for hurting no one.

 

[2ndAmendmentdefender]

1. Enforce current firearms laws - stop plea bargaining them away.
2. Keep criminals locked up for the full sentence - too much recidivism to take the chance.
3. Stop looking for ways to penalize legitimate firearms owners because criminals do bad things.

^^^^^^^^ The Answer #2 and #3^^^^^^^^^^

Use of a gun commiting home invasion, robbery, rape or any violent felony crime should be punishable with no early release or plea bargain!

Remove all infringements on 2A.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Require a secure id card, like the military id cards, be issued after a background check by the state police firearms section. All transactions must go through a dealer and the card be verified at the time of the transaction. The card can be linked to a database that has a current photo on file, be linked to state database that red flags if the person has been convicted of a felony or other charge that would not allow them to purchase or carry a firearm. This card would also act as their CCW permit. (always hated those pink paper cards)

OK, now think about everything you have just typed, now give this some thought. I passed all your checks and got one of them Fancy ID Cards, I have committed 147 Felonies prior to and after receiving my Fancy ID Card that says I am ok because I have not been caught yet.

Yep, seems like a great plan