What can be done to prevent bad guys from obtaining firearms easily?
the poll results do not show who voted for what
I’ve been brain storming some ideas about what if ANY gun laws could help ensure bad guys don’t get guns as easily AND keep our 2A rights protected. It’s a tricky topic as everybody on this forum knows. I read about guns used in crimes that can’t be traced back even when the serial numbers are in tact. Fact is a lot of firearms that are used in crimes are bought and sold privately which in my personal opinion that fact could possibly be altered. Now hear me out before the shouting matches start…
http://www.jhsph.edu/research/cente...search/publications/WhitePaper102512_CGPR.pdf
Reading this I came to some conclusions.
I think most of us would PREFER that guns we buy and sell do not cross hands with criminals and or prohibited persons? Am I wrong here? That seems to be why many folks REQUIRE LTCH and IN DL for their private sales, even tho it is not legally required. I don't have a problem presenting my IN DL or LTCH to a stranger who is selling me a gun, or vice versa. However this is different then what the gov wants to do, requiring back ground checks on all transfers IS a back door registration. I don't think madatory background checks for all is the way to go.
So I propose this idea, require buyers and sellers to know who they buy and sell to, which might mean recording data like DL # and or LTCH # solely for the purpose for the aid of law enforcement to figure out where the firearm found at the scene of the crime came from. I don’t mind showing my LTCH to strangers when purchasing a gun, I really don’t think its too much to ask. And I honestly think it will make it at least slightly harder for a criminal to purchase a firearm if the good guys continue following the law. Sure there are folks who would be bribed by a criminal to not require LTCH or IN DL.
If you don’t agree with the idea of requiring folks to simply verify that names on an LTCH and IN DL match and the person at least appears to be a good guy? How about this idea, allowing folks to run NICS checks themselves for free. As far as running the check thru the NICS I think whats the harm in opening that up to folks so that we as responsible gunowners can police ourselves?
A law that states a person should at least be sure the person they are selling/buying from/to should not be a criminal does seem reasonable, a law that requires back ground checks on all sales seems unreasonable to me in the sense that unless I can access NICS for free then thats crap. As dumb as it would be to have to run a NICS check on your coworker, or best friend, or son/daughter, it would make sense for the folks you just met on a classified web site or a stranger at a gunshow. We as gunowners should have no the fees to FFLs for this service of transfer but I understand them having to keep the records and log it in to their books is work. In this case making sure the stranger you just met isn't a felon should consist of a cursory check of their IN DL and LTCH. Yes criminals can forge these documents, Yes it is unenforceable in that ie criminals will still be able to buy guns from folks who choose not to follow the law. However the low bottom feeder criminals will have a harder time acquiring a gun to go rob their local liquor store or what have you. At least as gun owners we can say we did everything in our power to prevent bad guys from getting a gun. In this case everything in our power was looking at a pink slip and plastic driver's license.
When people say NO NEW LAWS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, that’s not really addressing the problem here with our gun crime. Again I’m trying to keep our firearm FREEDOMs intact. I’m not even talking about mass shootings (rifles in 2011 I think were used like 350+ times to murder, compared to like 11,000 handguns used to murder), I’m talking about street crime, I don’t consider the mass shooter to be your typical criminal as they seem to often be seemingly regular folks who are mentally unstable and fly under everyone’s radar until they plot their plans to kill as many as possible and one day snap and commit them.
I'm not saying that this is the answer, but I think as responsible gunowners it can't hurt to brain storm ideas that will both MITIGATE crime, ande nsure we have our freedom intact. I say mitigate because this will not stop the professional criminals from doing their thing but it would make it more difficult for some Chicago thug to drive 90 miles to a Indiana gunshow and walkaway with whatever guns his gang needs. That seems silly how easy it is for a criminal to obtain weapons, YES I know it is illegal for a felon to merely handle a firearm, but unless we are obligated to check them out ourselves it will be redicuously easy for any felon/bad guy to go to any gunshow (or use online classified ads) and just hand over cash for gun. America was founded on firearms no doubt, but I think we should at least TRY and come up with some good ideas to help law enforcement out.
Of course there are many other things I think should be opened up to help mitigate street crime, one of which would be to allow national LTCH laws or at least try and fix this patchwork of laws that don’t work and force me to pullover, unload my handgun and lock it up in the trunk when I enter Ohio… THAT should change for sure as well. But for this one thread I’m just proposing some ideas after I read some stats. Fact Sheet: Illegal gun trafficking arms criminals & youth « Gun Victims Action Council
Certainly there are things that need to go both ways. We could require to see LTCH and that could be a law, how about doing away with NFA
registration? Gun laws should go both ways, why is a suppressor an NFA item that I have to pass another background check on when I already submitted my fingerprints to the feds for obtaining my LTCH. But Im getting off topic here.
the poll results do not show who voted for what
I’ve been brain storming some ideas about what if ANY gun laws could help ensure bad guys don’t get guns as easily AND keep our 2A rights protected. It’s a tricky topic as everybody on this forum knows. I read about guns used in crimes that can’t be traced back even when the serial numbers are in tact. Fact is a lot of firearms that are used in crimes are bought and sold privately which in my personal opinion that fact could possibly be altered. Now hear me out before the shouting matches start…
http://www.jhsph.edu/research/cente...search/publications/WhitePaper102512_CGPR.pdf
Reading this I came to some conclusions.
I think most of us would PREFER that guns we buy and sell do not cross hands with criminals and or prohibited persons? Am I wrong here? That seems to be why many folks REQUIRE LTCH and IN DL for their private sales, even tho it is not legally required. I don't have a problem presenting my IN DL or LTCH to a stranger who is selling me a gun, or vice versa. However this is different then what the gov wants to do, requiring back ground checks on all transfers IS a back door registration. I don't think madatory background checks for all is the way to go.
So I propose this idea, require buyers and sellers to know who they buy and sell to, which might mean recording data like DL # and or LTCH # solely for the purpose for the aid of law enforcement to figure out where the firearm found at the scene of the crime came from. I don’t mind showing my LTCH to strangers when purchasing a gun, I really don’t think its too much to ask. And I honestly think it will make it at least slightly harder for a criminal to purchase a firearm if the good guys continue following the law. Sure there are folks who would be bribed by a criminal to not require LTCH or IN DL.
If you don’t agree with the idea of requiring folks to simply verify that names on an LTCH and IN DL match and the person at least appears to be a good guy? How about this idea, allowing folks to run NICS checks themselves for free. As far as running the check thru the NICS I think whats the harm in opening that up to folks so that we as responsible gunowners can police ourselves?
A law that states a person should at least be sure the person they are selling/buying from/to should not be a criminal does seem reasonable, a law that requires back ground checks on all sales seems unreasonable to me in the sense that unless I can access NICS for free then thats crap. As dumb as it would be to have to run a NICS check on your coworker, or best friend, or son/daughter, it would make sense for the folks you just met on a classified web site or a stranger at a gunshow. We as gunowners should have no the fees to FFLs for this service of transfer but I understand them having to keep the records and log it in to their books is work. In this case making sure the stranger you just met isn't a felon should consist of a cursory check of their IN DL and LTCH. Yes criminals can forge these documents, Yes it is unenforceable in that ie criminals will still be able to buy guns from folks who choose not to follow the law. However the low bottom feeder criminals will have a harder time acquiring a gun to go rob their local liquor store or what have you. At least as gun owners we can say we did everything in our power to prevent bad guys from getting a gun. In this case everything in our power was looking at a pink slip and plastic driver's license.
When people say NO NEW LAWS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, that’s not really addressing the problem here with our gun crime. Again I’m trying to keep our firearm FREEDOMs intact. I’m not even talking about mass shootings (rifles in 2011 I think were used like 350+ times to murder, compared to like 11,000 handguns used to murder), I’m talking about street crime, I don’t consider the mass shooter to be your typical criminal as they seem to often be seemingly regular folks who are mentally unstable and fly under everyone’s radar until they plot their plans to kill as many as possible and one day snap and commit them.
I'm not saying that this is the answer, but I think as responsible gunowners it can't hurt to brain storm ideas that will both MITIGATE crime, ande nsure we have our freedom intact. I say mitigate because this will not stop the professional criminals from doing their thing but it would make it more difficult for some Chicago thug to drive 90 miles to a Indiana gunshow and walkaway with whatever guns his gang needs. That seems silly how easy it is for a criminal to obtain weapons, YES I know it is illegal for a felon to merely handle a firearm, but unless we are obligated to check them out ourselves it will be redicuously easy for any felon/bad guy to go to any gunshow (or use online classified ads) and just hand over cash for gun. America was founded on firearms no doubt, but I think we should at least TRY and come up with some good ideas to help law enforcement out.
Of course there are many other things I think should be opened up to help mitigate street crime, one of which would be to allow national LTCH laws or at least try and fix this patchwork of laws that don’t work and force me to pullover, unload my handgun and lock it up in the trunk when I enter Ohio… THAT should change for sure as well. But for this one thread I’m just proposing some ideas after I read some stats. Fact Sheet: Illegal gun trafficking arms criminals & youth « Gun Victims Action Council
Certainly there are things that need to go both ways. We could require to see LTCH and that could be a law, how about doing away with NFA
registration? Gun laws should go both ways, why is a suppressor an NFA item that I have to pass another background check on when I already submitted my fingerprints to the feds for obtaining my LTCH. But Im getting off topic here.
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