You go from NPR to a NYT opinion piece as evidence. Lol. If what you say is true, deaths should be falling with increasing vaccination rates. Why do you think that didn't\isn't happening?
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You go from NPR to a NYT opinion piece as evidence. Lol. If what you say is true, deaths should be falling with increasing vaccination rates. Why do you think that didn't\isn't happening?
DragonGunner
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I posted awhile back that the CDC reviewed over 200,000 Covid deaths and reported, none of them was from covid, in their words they had covid but were going to die anyways. So what ever the number is take over 200,000 off of that....if and when they do more checking it may come down to more people dying from the vaccine than from covid. I did see awhile back a guy got killed on his motorcycle, he had covid in his system so ruled a covid death.....must of been republican, had to of been.
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This was a sanity check. Because we care about your mental health Kirk. You're sane on the first, so that's encouraging. But I think the latter is a facile and uncharitable point of view.
800K FROM covid? I'll grant you 800K WITH covid, assuming the covid testing was reasonably accurate. Covid deaths have been tallied as any deaths where the person had covid. If a person dies from a heart attack and the heart condition was caused by covid, fine. It's a covid death. If the person was going to die from the heart attack regardless, even if it was hastened by hours or even days because of covid, then it's not as clear that covid affected the person's death. The question about that is, if not for covid, would the person have lived much longer. If not, not a covid death. If so, sure.
I don't think that we have all the information where we can say exactly what the real number is. If I were to speculate/guess I'd say > half are legit covid deaths would be a safe bet. But that 800K sounds like a nice big number that people can use to ridicule the other side. So you go with it.
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Aside from the poor choice of sources, I think it's true enough that deaths among unvaccinated are higher than vaccinated. And I think what accounts for a lot of the higher death numbers after vaccines were introduced is the delta variant is more transmissible, so more cases. But it's not the case that the spread was primarily caused by unvaccinated. So at most you can lament that by not being vaccinated, people are putting themselves at higher risk, which is their own choice to make. So maybe try to be a little less hyperbolic and a lot less condescending.
Wow, thanks for that laugh Kirk!800K dead and growing, the damage that virus misinformation brings impacts pro-Trump counties the most, is it too late to bring us back to reality?
Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
An analysis by NPR shows that since the vaccine rollout, counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump have had more than twice the COVID mortality rates of those that voted for Joe Biden.www.npr.org
800k dead, you think the vax has had any impact on that number? Since you know...more have died since the vax has been out that before it!
What kind of vax lets people still get the virus? What kind of vax still lets people transmit the virus? What kind of clown world do you find yourself in where this "vaccine" is the answer??
DragonGunner
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"Trump" counties are dying more from covid, google anything and it comes up....before it was all city people dying from covid the most (democrat). All I see is covid having ran its course throughout the cities and is now hitting rural counties (mostly republican) No news really since the experts said that towards fall and winter covid cases would be going up again....its a rollercoaster ride that will never end.....have no fears, it will roll back to democrats soon enough. The number of "breakthrough cases" are off the charts now, but no one at NPR is going to show that chart are they? And how do we know that its not democrats living in republican counties that are dying, and not republicans? That NPR was a horrible opinion piece, are hospitals now required to ask covid patients if they are republican or democrat in case they die we will know....? As of now my wife hospital has 50% covid patients with vaccines. I'll have to ask her if they are all democrats then, has to be right....?
The numbers have been a problem all along. Side A says “800k dead,” and Side B laughs at them for believing that. Side B then says X number of people have died from the vaccine, and thinks those numbers are totally believable. Side A says X number of cases, and Side B says it’s exaggerated to make the pandemic seem worse and the tests are faulty. Side B then uses those numbers to show how few people actually die from Covid and how the whole thing is overblown. Can we all agree none of us know anything about this and are just cherry-picking the stats we like?
I would agree that no one knows the exact numbers and that has been done on purpose.
When Side B (or whatever) use the numbers that Side A puts out to prove a point, you can't automatically disqualify it. What is being said is, even if you believe these numbers, your own information says that it's a huge nothingburger for the majority of the population.
I can disbelieve the veracity of the numbers the CDC has put out, but still show, using those numbers, that the majority of deaths are for people 65 and older and/or with multiple health issues. What is the actual God's honest truth? I don't think anyone will ever know. That doesn't mean the statement is wrong, it just means that with the available information, this is what we can glean from it. Take it all with a measure of salt
I'd be more than happy to stop looking at numbers and pointing out the problems with how they're contrived just as soon as people stop trying to pressure me to undergo a medical procedure I am not interested in.
If it was really 800k then it's still only 0.24 % of a 330M population. Over a 2 year period then it's half that number. Around 3 million in the US die every year. There are flu and pneumonia deaths every year without the tyrannical overreach at so many levels, even coordinated globally! This should be a strong indicator for people to think about what's really going on.
Two freaking years and remains a danger to society? What an asinine intentional catastrophy! TPTB are desperately still escalating propaganda to hold on to a failing control narrative. So when and how does this end? My prediction is the increased ramp up in vax deaths will be unable to be hidden and counted as election flu morbidity. Seeing it happen now and the Normies are starting to wake up. Time will tell.
I'll leave this here for the Covidiots to think about.
292 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 167 Dead, After COVID Shot
292 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 167 Dead, After COVID Shot
2100 Athlete Cardiac Arrests or Serious Issues, 1474 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection - Real Science
It is not normal for young athletes to suffer cardiac arrest or death while playing sport, but most of these come shortly after a COVID shot.
goodsciencing.com
I'll leave this here for the Covidiots to think about.
292 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 167 Dead, After COVID Shot
2100 Athlete Cardiac Arrests or Serious Issues, 1474 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection - Real Science
It is not normal for young athletes to suffer cardiac arrest or death while playing sport, but most of these come shortly after a COVID shot.goodsciencing.com
NPR did not report this…
Must be fake..................
I'll leave this here for the Covidiots to think about.
292 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 167 Dead, After COVID Shot
2100 Athlete Cardiac Arrests or Serious Issues, 1474 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection - Real Science
It is not normal for young athletes to suffer cardiac arrest or death while playing sport, but most of these come shortly after a COVID shot.goodsciencing.com
Yep, the usual suspects will just discount this. It's anecdotal, or correlation / causation, or something...
Sure some of them died but if not for the vaccine it would have been much worse........Yep, the usual suspects will just discount this. It's anecdotal, or correlation / causation, or something...
You've heard of Stanford, yes? I think they even have a law school800K dead and growing, the damage that virus misinformation brings impacts pro-Trump counties the most, is it too late to bring us back to reality?
Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
An analysis by NPR shows that since the vaccine rollout, counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump have had more than twice the COVID mortality rates of those that voted for Joe Biden.
Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?
Edit: An 'order of magnitude' is a factor of 10, Kirk. It has nothing to do with courts or English law c. 1215
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The usual suspects will swallow the article, hook line and sinker, without even clicking on the links to some of the news stories.Yep, the usual suspects will just discount this. It's anecdotal, or correlation / causation, or something...
If they actually did click on the links, they would learn that there was a decided lack of information on the vaccination status of any of the people who suffered illness or death in most of the linked stories. I knew the article was more anti-vax fear porn after Hank Aaron (age 86, LOL) was listed as one of the "athletes" who suffered death bEcAuSe oF tHe vAcCiNaTiOn.
Several listed also supposedly died of the jab before the jab was widely available in their countries, which is weird.
One of the athletes in his 20's who died of a heart attack had a brother, also in his 20's, who died of a heart attack 3 years ago. Not sure which of the Covid vaccines is a time traveller.
But yeah...lap it up.
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