Trump 2024 ???

[Route 45]

He brought back $2.00 gas, 12-14% on ones 401, new manufacturing here, at one point 3.6% unemployment.

He did all that by himself, eh? Controls gas prices, controls the stock market, controls employment. Why do we even need a legislature? Seems like a benevolent king is a much better system.

 

[foszoe]

He brought back $2.00 gas, 12-14% on ones 401, new manufacturing here, at one point 3.6% unemployment.

I definitely liked his energy policy. The middle one I give Trump some credit. I am not sure how much throwing trillions of dollars out in Covid Aid didn't artificially prop up the markets. I also give some credit for the unemployment numbers but also not sure how much Covid Aid factored into that one either.

I wouldn't have faulted Trump for the Market Crash or the pop in unemployment either.

My concern with Trump was the spending. There was a lot of it.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Opinion | Covid Lockdowns Disqualify Trump in 2024

‘Fifteen days to stop the spread’ turned into an eternity.

www.wsj.com

 

[Tombs]

Opinion | Covid Lockdowns Disqualify Trump in 2024

‘Fifteen days to stop the spread’ turned into an eternity.

www.wsj.com

People view this as a fault, but I view it as a positive. He left the tough and divisive decision to the state governments to decide for themselves, rather than proclaiming himself a king and ordering them to do his will.

The real mistake was with Fauci.

 

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[GodFearinGunTotin]

People view this as a fault, but I view it as a positive. He left the tough and divisive decision to the state governments to decide for themselves, rather than proclaiming himself a king and ordering them to do his will.

The real mistake was with Fauci.

Except when he was criticizing the likes of Kemp and Desantis for not following his covid response team’s orders.

 

[Tombs]

Except when he was criticizing the likes of Kemp and Desantis for not following his covid response team’s orders.

That's a fair criticism.

It lands a lot lighter than had he wielded government power to do something about them though.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That's a fair criticism.

It lands a lot lighter than had he wielded government power to do something about them though.

Bad republican policies tend to give way to far worse democrat policies.

 

[buckwacker]

He did all that by himself, eh? Controls gas prices, controls the stock market, controls employment. Why do we even need a legislature? Seems like a benevolent king is a much better system.

Well that is sorta the way it's become. Congress has over the years created a massive number of federal agencies under the executive branch onto which they've lazily sloughed off their legislative responsibilities because they need to start campaigning for the next election, leaving precious little time to do their actual job.

 

[Creedmoor]

He did all that by himself, eh? Controls gas prices, controls the stock market, controls employment. Why do we even need a legislature? Seems like a benevolent king is a much better system.

Is your weekly fuel transportation bill
the same or double?

Hows your grocery bill with biden?

Got a 401? Hows it doing now?

 

[Ingomike]

He did all that by himself, eh? Controls gas prices, controls the stock market, controls employment. Why do we even need a legislature? Seems like a benevolent king is a much better system.

Actually. Yes, he said all the things the oil industry needed to hear to spur effort and investment in producing energy. I have come to understand and equate energy to liberty and freedom. Everything we do requires energy thus all the other great things that also came along were a direct result of that energy policy. If you remember the markets went up after he won but before inauguration based on his promises of his energy policy.

All the negative you see in our economy now is a direct result of the current administrations energy policies. I fear, now that our politics are so divided that it may not work so easy again as the energy producers will be wary of sticking their neck out again after bidet cut it off this time.

Surprised you did not understand this already.

 

[BugI02]

He brought back $2.00 gas, 12-14% on ones 401, new manufacturing here, at one point 3.6% unemployment.

tax cuts, a booming stock market, bringing jobs back to America, rising wages at
the lower end of the scale, historically low unemployment, especially minority
unemployment, a secure border, energy independence, and an attack
on the administrative state, over-regulation, climate-change fanaticism, political
correctness (ESG, DEI, CRT), globalist imperatives, and foreign adventurism

And that's not even an exhaustive list

 

[Creedmoor]

tax cuts, a booming stock market, bringing jobs back to America, rising wages at
the lower end of the scale, historically low unemployment, especially minority
unemployment, a secure border, energy independence, and an attack
on the administrative state, over-regulation, climate-change fanaticism, political
correctness (ESG, DEI, CRT), globalist imperatives, and foreign adventurism

And that's not even an exhaustive list

Whats not to love.
Trump 2024 Bring America Back.

 

[Route 45]

Is your weekly fuel transportation bill
the same or double?

Hows your grocery bill with biden?

Got a 401? Hows it doing now?

The Fed's money printer is responsible for all of this. It started in January 2020. Remind me who was in office then.

If Trump was still in office, we'd be in the same boat.

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[Creedmoor]

The Fed's money printer is responsible for all of this. It started in January 2020. Remind me who was in office then.

If Trump was still in office, we'd be in the same boat.

80% of all US dollars in existence were printed in the last 22 months (from $4 trillion in January 2020 to $20 trillion in October 2021) - TechStartups

Last year, we wrote a piece titled, "40% of US dollars in existence were printed in the last 12 months," one of our most popular articles. On January 6, 2020, the US Federal Reserve had around $4 trillion dollars. However, a lot has changed since then. The Fed has accelerated its quantitative...

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Doubtful.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The Fed's money printer is responsible for all of this. It started in January 2020. Remind me who was in office then.

If Trump was still in office, we'd be in the same boat.

80% of all US dollars in existence were printed in the last 22 months (from $4 trillion in January 2020 to $20 trillion in October 2021) - TechStartups

Last year, we wrote a piece titled, "40% of US dollars in existence were printed in the last 12 months," one of our most popular articles. On January 6, 2020, the US Federal Reserve had around $4 trillion dollars. However, a lot has changed since then. The Fed has accelerated its quantitative...

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I don’t know that we’d be in *THIS* boat but Trump did start the money burn. If my memory is correct, under Trump the CDC found new authority to allow renters to stay in apartments rent free, for what, a year? Remember, Thomas Massie was one of the few that trying to stop it, he was warning anyone that would listen this would lead to rampant inflation, and Trump castigated him for not going along.

 

[I Invented the Internet]

If Trump gets the nomination, I think we will be punished by 4 more years of Biden.

 

[caverjamie]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alex-berenson-vote-democrat-trump-2024-gop-get-destroyed-nominee

That story is an example of how I think the democrats win in 2024 if Trump becomes the nominee. Doesn’t matter how good Trump was or is. He is just so toxic - I wouldn’t go so far as the guy in that article, but I’m sure there are others who would.

 

[KLB]

tax cuts, a booming stock market, bringing jobs back to America, rising wages at
the lower end of the scale, historically low unemployment, especially minority
unemployment, a secure border, energy independence, and an attack
on the administrative state, over-regulation, climate-change fanaticism, political
correctness (ESG, DEI, CRT), globalist imperatives, and foreign adventurism

And that's not even an exhaustive list

Tax Cuts was Congress.
The Border was never secure. He STARTED to have more wall built.
Historically low job participation went along with that unemployment rate.

I would put Nominating Gorsuch on the list. The other two not so much

He definitely did some good stuff, but you give him too much credit.

 

[Twangbanger]

It is important to stop and realize what a significant moment we're at, with the announcement of a Trump run. We (presumably) now have two America-First candidates vying with each other for the GOP nomination.

The Chamber-of-Commerce mainstream business-friendly Wall Street types are nominally on the outside looking in.

This is incredible. It's usually the other way around - a bunch of presumably right-wing candidates canceling out each other's donor money while a well-financed Wall Street Friend cruises to the nomination.

Trump deserves credit for the lay of the land. We couldn't be here if he didn't win in 2016. Now, not every progenitor of a movement is adequate to the task of nurturing it into the future. It's possible he gave birth to something, and the birthing pains turn out to be so severe, he's injured to the point where he's no longer able to carry it forward.

But let's keep our focus where it belongs. We've been given an opportunity here, to see if America-First was a one-off populist flash in the pan, attached to a particular charismatic personality and never able to be repeated...or the beginning of a permanent realignment of the GOP more toward the interests of its voters.

There are 3 key dangers which must be avoided. And all of them are equally threatening and could equally lead to the end of the movement:

1) The Progenitor of the Movement, Trump, possesses a basket of injuries (demeanor / indictments / general opposition) which is so off-putting to so many, that he can't effectively carry the movement forward to a second victory.

2) The Potential Successor to the Movement, DeSantis, is either unelectable in his own right, or else has establishment loyalties which make him co-optable by the Friends of Wall Street, so that even if it wins, the new movement ends up being "folded-back" into serving the same sh!t ends of the old GOP, and "shorts-out" into the same historical election loss pattern we are in.

3) The Election Situation on the ground has become so bad (>> mail ballots) as to be able to make 1 and 2 moot.

My guess is, we are faced with multiple dangers, and possibly a combination of all 3.

We have a chance, because we won a past election. But the Party of Identity Grievance (PIG) has taken commanding control of how ballots are cast in elections. The GOP is the only entity with a chance of saving the country from one-party rule; but its legacy and most of its donor base are in the hands of a class of comfortable white men who don't understand (or care about?) the harm the new reality poses to ordinary people, and is completely unable to meet the new challenge. And some of them are already angling to get leverage over DeSantis (see #2).

But let's not get so buried in the intermural dung-flipping that we fail to see the significance of the moment here.