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[SheepDog4Life]

Tax Cuts was Congress.

Tax cuts were Congress AND Trump. IMO, he gets his share of the credit for prioritizing while he had congress.

The Border was never secure. He STARTED to have more wall built.

IIRC, securing the land easements for the wall were a big delay, so started the wall build where it could be built, re-allocated DoD/CoE to continue building when we lost congress, lot's of existing revetment crud replaced in critical places, gained Mexico's cooperation for "stay in Mexico", used the COVID law to deport, etc.

You're correct he didn't complete it, permanently, but IMO you're giving him less credit than he deserves on this.

Historically low job participation went along with that unemployment rate.

I would put Nominating Gorsuch on the list. The other two not so much

Yes and no... both of the other two are better than Roberts, who looks at political outcomes and his legacy, IMO.

And, originalists will always apply the law and the Constitution to determine the answer, not start with the answer desired and work backwards like the leftist bloc does.

He definitely did some good stuff, but you give him too much credit.

I also think the regulatory roll-back is under-credited. The bureacracy grows and is empowered by comprehensive, complex and omni-present regulations... rolling regs back helps put the beast on a diet.

 

[Creedmoor]

Lets not forget, President Trump had The Best Tweets Ever...
2024

 

[KG1]

I think the biggest thing Trump should get credit for is creating optimism for a greater America. I posted in another thread that the MAGA movement was born out of a response to Obama's "new norm" settle for less doctrine. He set out on a campaign to resoundingly reject that doctrine and subsequently put forth policy initiatives designed to foster a new American resurgence.

 

[Ingomike]

The Fed's money printer is responsible for all of this. It started in January 2020. Remind me who was in office then.

Nowhere near all of this. I explained to you what drives our economy, that is energy. The money printing is typically bad but how bad depends on the overall economy and it’s ratios to production.

 

[KLB]

Tax cuts were Congress AND Trump. IMO, he gets his share of the credit for prioritizing while he had congress.

You're free to give him credit. I give him credit for signing it. Cutting taxes is not something the President can do.

IIRC, securing the land easements for the wall were a big delay, so started the wall build where it could be built, re-allocated DoD/CoE to continue building when we lost congress, lot's of existing revetment crud replaced in critical places, gained Mexico's cooperation for "stay in Mexico", used the COVID law to deport, etc.

You're correct he didn't complete it, permanently, but IMO you're giving him less credit than he deserves on this.

He "finished" 458 miles from what I can find. That is out of 1933 miles. At no point was the border ever secured, which was the claim made.

Yes and no... both of the other two are better than Roberts, who looks at political outcomes and his legacy, IMO.

And, originalists will always apply the law and the Constitution to determine the answer, not start with the answer desired and work backwards like the leftist bloc does.

They are marginally better than Roberts. I would not consider either of them to be true originalists. Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch are much more so.

I also think the regulatory roll-back is under-credited. The bureacracy grows and is empowered by comprehensive, complex and omni-present regulations... rolling regs back helps put the beast on a diet.

The issue there is that it was short lived. Nothing was done in a manner that would survive his successor.

 

[Ingomike]

You're free to give him credit. I give him credit for signing it. Cutting taxes is not something the President can do.

You are failing to give credit for convincing congress to pass it.

 

[actaeon277]

He "finished" 458 miles from what I can find. That is out of 1933 miles. At no point was the border ever secured, which was the claim made.

Sometimes, the perception becomes the reality.
There was an effect on people crossing the border.
Biden taking office also had an effect on the border.

 

[foszoe]

Nowhere near all of this. I explained to you what drives our economy, that is energy. The money printing is typically bad but how bad depends on the overall economy and it’s ratios to production.

If it's typically bad, how can I tell when it's good? What guidelines are there?

 

[Ingomike]

If it's typically bad, how can I tell when it's good? What guidelines are there?

Is the word “good” in my post?

 

[KLB]

You are failing to give credit for convincing congress to pass it.

I don't remember the Rs needing a lot of convincing, but sure.

 

[actaeon277]

Is the word “good” in my post?

I find the use of the word 'good' to be discriminating.
I am 'offended'.

 

[actaeon277]

Both parties seem to be speeding us towards destruction.
The difference seems to be the 'speed' of the destruction.

 

[foszoe]

Is the word “good” in my post?

No but typically bad is different from always bad which implies it may not be bad so when is it not bad since the objection was to the word good? Did any of the Covid Spending bills rise above the threshold of typically bad or were they bad?

 

[KLB]

Sometimes, the perception becomes the reality.
There was an effect on people crossing the border.
Biden taking office also had an effect on the border.

Again. Show me where the border was secure, as was the claim.

 

[actaeon277]

Again. Show me where the border was secure, as was the claim.

Well, I didn't make that claim.
My claim would be that it was 'more' secure, then became 'less' secure.

Could be multiple causes, or one cause.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

You are failing to give credit for convincing congress to pass it.

I don't remember the Rs needing a lot of convincing, but sure.

Quite a bit more than that... Congress (mostly) passed Trump's tax cut plan. If anything, Trump "accepted" the tax cuts which were less than he proposed in his campaign. He pushed for deeper cuts.

Here's the Tax Foundation analysis from September 2016, before the election:

Donald Trump Tax Plan (2016): Details & Analysis | Tax Foundation

Here are the details of the Donald Trump tax plan, how it would change the tax code, and how it would affect revenue, jobs, and economic growth.

taxfoundation.org

It's fair to say it was Trump's Tax Cut, which congress mostly passed for him to sign.

 

[Ingomike]

No but typically bad is different from always bad which implies it may not be bad so when is it not bad since the objection was to the word good? Did any of the Covid Spending bills rise above the threshold of typically bad or were they bad?

The higher the GDP the less negative it is…

 

[KLB]

The higher the GDP the less negative it is…

That was spending was bad, period. They added $4.6 Trillion to the debt. More than 10% of the existing or total debt.

 

[KLB]

Well, I didn't make that claim.
My claim would be that it was 'more' secure, then became 'less' secure.

Could be multiple causes, or one cause.

That's fine, but wasn't what I was replying to.

 

[Ingomike]

That was spending was bad, period. They added $4.6 Trillion to the debt. More than 10% of the existing or total debt.

I agree. But there are conditions when it is worse…