The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[Ingomike]

Most EVs sold did not get a tax credit. Before the Inflation *** Act, the first 200,000 cars sold by a manufacturer qualified for one. Tesla is selling over 900K cars a year.

There is a lot of demand for the EVs beyond the tax credits. Today a lot of them don't qualify even under the new guidelines in the stupid IR Act.

It is way deeper than US consumer incentives. Manufacturers are getting bucks from many governments and some are double dipping the US government. All this distorts free markets.

“U.S. Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) recently introduced the Ending Duplicative Subsidies for Electric Vehicles Act, legislation that would prohibit the automobile industry from double-dipping on federal subsidies, specifically electric vehicle (EV) tax credits, grants, and loans for EV manufacturing. The bill would require stakeholders to choose between receiving manufacturing loans or grants to lower the cost of EV production or having the vehicles they manufacture remain eligible for the new EV credits under the so-called “Inflation Reduction Act” (IRA).”

Thune Introduces Bill to Stop Automakers From Double-Dipping in Electric Vehicle Subsidies

WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) recently introduced the Ending Duplicative Subsidies for Electric Vehicles Act, legislation that would prohibit the automobile industry from double-dipping on federal subsidies, specifically electric vehicle (EV) tax credits, grants, and loans for EV...

www.thune.senate.gov

 

[Ingomike]

I LOVE promoting that which shoves this back up their collective a****.

I despise everything on this list…

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[Ingomike]

Is this really a free market? Nope

Here's why a new $40,000 electric vehicle tax credit for business owners may be relatively easy to get

A tax credit for entrepreneurs who buy new electric vehicles or machinery doesn't carry many of the same restrictions that apply to consumers buying clean cars.

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[bobzilla]

If you're a car enthusiast and you have not driven a tesla in ludicrous mode, you are missing out. They are very serious performance cars and a treat to beat on.

 

[Leo]

Why wouldn't they just pass a law that limits gas tank capacity?

I rode a motorcycle all across this country that had a 2.2 gallon tank. I even did a 1000 mile day on that bike. I had to be pretty careful about planning gas stops, but a small gas tank is not as time / speed / distance restrictive as a battery car.

 

[oze]

I despise everything on this list…

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Electric cars come with many benefits. Learn how you can take advantage of federal, state and local rebates, save on fuel and maintenance, and enjoy incentives like solo access to the carpool lane. Driving electric also comes with higher performance and acceleration while also reducing air...

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It doesn't mention the annual registration surcharge for EV and PHEV vehicles that Indiana and many other states have. Also, the Federal tax incentives went away for many cars in an instant with Biden's Inflation Enhancement Bill. Look up the vehicle that you are interested in, but for example, the PHEV version of the Dodge Hornet (that I am looking at) will not qualify, since it's Final Assembly Point is in Italy, not in the USA.

 

[Ingomike]

It doesn't mention the annual registration surcharge for EV and PHEV vehicles that Indiana and many other states have. Also, the Federal tax incentives went away for many cars in an instant with Biden's Inflation Enhancement Bill. Look up the vehicle that you are interested in, but for example, the PHEV version of the Dodge Hornet (that I am looking at) will not qualify, since it's Final Assembly Point is in Italy, not in the USA.

Yep, a spiff to the UAW…

 

[jamil]

I rode a motorcycle all across this country that had a 2.2 gallon tank. I even did a 1000 mile day on that bike. I had to be pretty careful about planning gas stops, but a small gas tank is not as time / speed / distance restrictive as a battery car.

Fair point. It takes less than a minute to dispense 2.2 gallons. If we’re comparing apples to apples we’re talking about charging a bike not charging a car. But. You’re not charging that bike in anywhere near a minute. It limits how far you can go in a given amount of time compared to internal combustion.

But, if the goal is to limit movement by forcing EV’s on the public, I think that’s a bit beyond facts in evidence. If we’re looking for motivation I think the old saying, follow the money, has more support by facts in evidence.

 

[jamil]

Yep, a spiff to the UAW…

I don’t mind a little America First action. But I’m not down with using it to subsidize something that should either live or die by its market.

 

[Ingomike]

I don’t mind a little America First action. But I’m not down with using it to subsidize something that should either live or die by its market.

I don’t mind it either, but it is mere window dressing because so much of building vehicles has been moved offshore. 70 years ago those were UAW jobs, but the UAW is in bed with politics and instead of wagging the dog of politics they are wagged by politics…

 

[KLB]

I despise everything on this list…

Top 5 Reasons to Drive Electric | DriveClean

Electric cars come with many benefits. Learn how you can take advantage of federal, state and local rebates, save on fuel and maintenance, and enjoy incentives like solo access to the carpool lane. Driving electric also comes with higher performance and acceleration while also reducing air...

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You despise higher performance?

 

[jamil]

You despise higher performance?

Not everyone likes their belly to tingle when pedal gets mashed to the floorboard.

 

[Leadeye]

I'm going to buy the Dodge Charger Banshee, get the upgrades to bring it to over 800 HP, and virtue signal all over town with my fake exhaust sound.

Dodge shows Banshee Concept performance EV, tips 455-670 hp

The Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept EV shown off at SEMA highlights some of the power ratings of the forthcoming electric muscle car.

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I like the body style on that car and the two doors, maybe they will offer it with that 1100 HP crate engine for us ICE purists.

 

[KLB]

Not everyone likes their belly to tingle when pedal gets mashed to the floorboard.

But despise? I guess. I know I despise slow cars

 

[Jaybird1980]

Not everyone likes their belly to tingle when pedal gets mashed to the floorboard.

 

[jamil]

I despise everything on this list…

Top 5 Reasons to Drive Electric | DriveClean

Electric cars come with many benefits. Learn how you can take advantage of federal, state and local rebates, save on fuel and maintenance, and enjoy incentives like solo access to the carpool lane. Driving electric also comes with higher performance and acceleration while also reducing air...

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#1 – Get Money for a Purchase/Lease​

Hate​

#2 – Save on Fuel and Maintenance Costs​

I don’t hate it. but as Biden’s economy works it’s magic, it makes this less true

#3 – Drive Solo in the Carpool Lane​

Don’t get me started on HOV lanes.

#4 – Have More Fun with Higher Performance​

#5 – Clean Up Planet Earth​

Bull****

 

[oze]

Not everyone likes their belly to tingle when pedal gets mashed to the floorboard.

Wait. What?

 

[Leadeye]

Good performance is the sort of thing that make your eyeballs sink back in their sockets when you step on the gas and feel like they are popping out when you step on the brake.

 

[bobzilla]

But despise? I guess. I know I despise slow cars

I am ok with slow cars if they’re fun to drive. I like light nimble cars.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I despise everything on this list…

Top 5 Reasons to Drive Electric | DriveClean

Electric cars come with many benefits. Learn how you can take advantage of federal, state and local rebates, save on fuel and maintenance, and enjoy incentives like solo access to the carpool lane. Driving electric also comes with higher performance and acceleration while also reducing air...

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