The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[KLB]

I wonder how the proud electric car owners in Florida feel right now. They made a woke decision that potentially put their entire family’s lives at stake. Unable to evacuate or worse being stuck on a backed up interstate in the middle of nowhere without shelter as their battery dies.

Then there is the simple inconvenience as they wait for power to return so they can wait a few more hours to have transportation.

How is that any different than being stuck and running out of gas?

How would people get gas without electricity?

Let's not pretend that the issues are so much different for an electric car over a gas car for this.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

How is that any different than being stuck and running out of gas?

How would people get gas without electricity?

Let's not pretend that the issues are so much different for an electric car over a gas car for this.

If I see a hurricane coming and I think I might have to evacuate, I can guy extra gas and carry it with me.

 

[KittySlayer]

How is that any different than being stuck and running out of gas?
Because with proper planning you can avoid running out of gas. Always keeping your gas tank at least half full and when bad weather is predicted keep it full. Store additional gas in cans.

How would people get gas without electricity?
As noted above, plan ahead. Do truck stops have generators to run pumps?

Let's not pretend that the issues are so much different for an electric car over a gas car for this.
This is different. To start with the driving range for most gasoline powered vehicles is 300+ miles. You have much greater control over how you manage your fuel (gas vs. electric) keeping it topped off, having the ability to store more fuel, easily refilling the gas tank in just a couple of minutes.

 

[Ingomike]

Remember, earlier this year when gas prices were spiking, and all of the smug "buy an EV and bypass the high price at the pump" remarks? I do. Gas may be expensive. But I can stock up on it and store it for a good little while. I can carry extra with me if I think I might get stuck on the interstate.

How is that any different than being stuck and running out of gas?

How would people get gas without electricity?

Let's not pretend that the issues are so much different for an electric car over a gas car for this.

Have to love a guy that can answer your question before you answer it… LOL

 

[KLB]

If I see a hurricane coming and I think I might have to evacuate, I can guy extra gas and carry it with me.

YOU can. Most people don't think like that.

 

[KLB]

How is that any different than being stuck and running out of gas?
Because with proper planning you can avoid running out of gas. Always keeping your gas tank at least half full and when bad weather is predicted keep it full. Store additional gas in cans.

How would people get gas without electricity?
As noted above, plan ahead. Do truck stops have generators to run pumps?

Let's not pretend that the issues are so much different for an electric car over a gas car for this.
This is different. To start with the driving range for most gasoline powered vehicles is 300+ miles. You have much greater control over how you manage your fuel (gas vs. electric) keeping it topped off, having the ability to store more fuel, easily refilling the gas tank in just a couple of minutes.

As I said above, most people do not think that way.

Let's focus on the "stuck in traffic" part though. Traffic is bumper to bumper on the Interstates leaving the area. Where do you top off? There aren't gas stations just sitting on the side of the road. Idling is burning gas, so you have no where near the range you mention. Running out of gas is just as much a possibility as running out of battery charge. Might even be more so, since the electric engine isn't burning fuel idling.

Your best bet here is probably to have a hybrid.

 

[Percolater]

50+ tropical storms or hurricanes resulting in power outages since Tesla started selling EV's in FL (2012). The red state of FL has the second highest amount of EVs in the US (Cali 1st). If it were a problem, we'd know by now. The media would jump at every opportunity to capture a stranded EV, and yet nothing. 60+% growth year over year, Floridians prefer EV's as their evacuation vehicles. Fuel stations began running dry last Friday, power just went out yesterday.

 

[Percolater]

First they get a storm alert message on the screen 48-72 hours prior to estimated landfall. The alert recommends charging to 100% battery to reduce impact on travel. The superchargers have live statuses that, if needed, ensure you're routed to a powered charger. Natural Disaster Policy gives free supercharging, and over the air updates to maximize battery range. Starlink Satellite service directed towards disaster areas to insure connectivity and comms.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The media would jump at every opportunity to capture a stranded EV, and yet nothing.

Should this have been in purple? The media is on the same side as those pushing EV's. They're not going to point out any vulnerabilities.

 

[JCSR]

If your EV runs out of charge is AAA going to bring you a can of electricity?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Should this have been in purple? The media is on the same side as those pushing EV's. They're not going to point out any vulnerabilities.

He’s got a point. There are these systems they’re developing/developed to mitigate range anxiety…under normal circumstances. What we don’t know is how the system will respond when EVs are (say) 50% of the nation’s fleet and cities are evacuating everyone at once.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If your EV runs out of charge is AAA going to bring you a can of electricity?

They'll probably tow a gasoline powered generator, with a gasoline powered truck, to charge your EV. Or more likely, they'll just come tow you with their gasoline powered tow truck.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

He’s got a point. There are these systems they’re developing/developed to mitigate range anxiety…under normal circumstances. What we don’t know is how the system will respond when EVs are (say) 50% of the nation’s fleet and cities are evacuating everyone at once.

But my point is that they're not going to do anything that highlights the shortcomings of EVs (including lack of infrastructure) now. They'll continue to push the narrative that "everyone needs to go green or we're all gonna die!".

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

But my point is that they're not going to do anything that highlights the shortcomings of EVs (including lack of infrastructure) now. They'll continue to push the narrative that "everyone needs to go green or we're all gonna die!".

That’s is correct.

 

[firecadet613]

First they get a storm alert message on the screen 48-72 hours prior to estimated landfall. The alert recommends charging to 100% battery to reduce impact on travel. The superchargers have live statuses that, if needed, ensure you're routed to a powered charger. Natural Disaster Policy gives free supercharging, and over the air updates to maximize battery range. Starlink Satellite service directed towards disaster areas to insure connectivity and comms.

If you don't have a receiving Starlink dish, you won't get any service. The satellites are orbiting at 17,000 miles an hour... they aren't directing any satellite to cover the disaster area....

 

[KLB]

If your EV runs out of charge is AAA going to bring you a can of electricity?

And how many cans of gas do you think AAA is delivering in an evacuation?

 

[KLB]

EVs obviously are not perfect, but you guys are so against them politically that you try to make everything some big gotcha where they are concerned.

 

[Leadeye]

My issue isn't with the electric cars themselves, they are a good fit for some people. Where I draw the line is being forced to buy one by law. I don't believe in climate change because you can't quantify it's two main statements, so I ask why the government would force me to buy an electric car if it's not a good fit for me. Somebody is buying the law, so the answer I see is.....

Always follow the money

 

[JCSR]

And how many cans of gas do you think AAA is delivering in an evacuation?

AAA roadside service does not stop during an evacuation.

 

[Percolater]

Should this have been in purple? The media is on the same side as those pushing EV's. They're not going to point out any vulnerabilities.

People take my picture if I’m filling jerry cans at the pump with my Tesla. I’d bet that goes on social media with a notion of me charging my car with a generator. So in gridlock traffic with thousands of vehicles going by, we all know some FUDster/ anti EVer would be overjoyed to capture the moment of a dead battery to post on media with a sense of “owning the libs”. Many conservative republicans also own EVs and we like to share the truth with people so they don’t fall for the FUD and disinformation when they see it.