The Mastro Handshake

[bwframe]

[video=youtube;sn2_gn6ERoI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn2_gn6ERoI[/video]

 

[cedartop]

Because if I know a fight is coming, I want my hands folded across my chest.

 

[frenchiectfd2203]

[video=youtube;sn2_gn6ERoI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn2_gn6ERoI[/video]

Fast!! Wow.

 

[Double T]

Because if I know a fight is coming, I want my hands folded across my chest.

You don't understand the mechanics of fighting huh? Arms crossed is an effective guard. If someone takes a sucker punch, you won't be able to react from your waist of hips. Crossed arms is a useful tool if you are in a position where you 1) Can't deescalate or 2) cannot back up.

There is also a reason bouncers stand like this, and why there was a little blurb in the video regarding bouncers.

 

[Double T]

Also, I'm not saying this video isn't a load of BS, but crossed arms is a decent defensive stance. Funker puts out quite a bit of bullshido in these vids, however.

 

[iChokePeople]

You don't understand the mechanics of fighting huh? Arms crossed is an effective guard. If someone takes a sucker punch, you won't be able to react from your waist of hips. Crossed arms is a useful tool if you are in a position where you 1) Can't deescalate or 2) cannot back up.

There is also a reason bouncers stand like this, and why there was a little blurb in the video regarding bouncers.

Pretty bold statement about someone you don't know. Crossed arms is certainly better than some other options, but I think cedartop DOES understand the mechanics of fighting and understands that he'd be better off in a position that keeps at least one hand closer to his face. The "thinker", for example, or the very commonly used and much more effective "I don't want any trouble" kind of non-threatening, both hands out front posture. As to the technique in the video, try that against several resisting opponents before you bet on it in the street. I have not, but my bet is that it would not work against most resisting opponents.

Cedartop has spent quite a bit of time studying various "fences" or "guards", and I'm quite certain that he understands the strengths and weaknesses of them very well.

 

[Double T]

Pretty bold statement about someone you don't know. Crossed arms is certainly better than some other options, but I think cedartop DOES understand the mechanics of fighting and understands that he'd be better off in a position that keeps at least one hand closer to his face. The "thinker", for example, or the very commonly used and much more effective "I don't want any trouble" kind of non-threatening, both hands out front posture. As to the technique in the video, try that against several resisting opponents before you bet on it in the street. I have not, but my bet is that it would not work against most resisting opponents.

Cedartop has spent quite a bit of time studying various "fences" or "guards", and I'm quite certain that he understands the strengths and weaknesses of them very well.

I completely understand the various faces of presenting a non-confrontational or feigning compliance in an encounter. This is not that case. The annotation in the video suggests it's for a bouncer. While everyone can make suggestions regarding being in the presence of more than one attacker, in my younger years I was in the very encounter. I was lucky to understand putting my back in the corner narrowed the attack angle, and I was able to react against the primary attacker, causing the secondary attacker to stop. This was in a locker room. That typically alpha male bravado bull****.

I've always been the type to maintain a low profile, but be able to be aggressive if I need to. In this instance, they misinterpreted my lack of the "alpha male" bravado as being weak.

Many people think they know how to fight. Training in this video is static, and doesn't really show what can happen. MMA/BJJ guys have to abide by rules. Martial artists have tapout rules. Until someone has trained in a controlled, no rules environment, you don't understand the fluidity of a fight.

I may no longer be as physically fit as I once was, but I still remember how to fight and what works or doesn't work. Disregarding the intentions of the video based on one principal is justifiable, but statement of satire wasn't founded in the setting in the video. Bouncers stand off with their arms crossed. /endrant

 

[cedartop]

Also, I'm not saying this video isn't a load of BS, but crossed arms is a decent defensive stance. Funker puts out quite a bit of bullshido in these vids, however.

Crossed arms can be. Let me be clear. I think this is a cool move with sound mechanics, it is however low percentage and highly context driven. I am not going to teach people who haven't mastered the basics, who can't put into place pressure, posture, and position a trick move. I can't use you for an example, because I don't know your size or skill (hmmm,) but I do know ichokepeople so I will use him. I would never try to pull this off against him. Why? He is much bigger, stronger, and skilled. If something goes wrong with my wonder move, he is going to wrap me up and rape me. He has a ton of options at that point and I have very few. A lot of cool moves will work for skilled people, but your average guy or gal looking to defend themselves in the parking lot aren't usually highly skilled and IMHO would be best served learning concepts, not moves, if they don't plan on making martial arts a life long study.

 

[Double T]

Crossed arms can be. Let me be clear. I think this is a cool move with sound mechanics, it is however low percentage and highly context driven. I am not going to teach people who haven't mastered the basics, who can't put into place pressure, posture, and position a trick move. I can't use you for an example, because I don't know your size or skill (hmmm,) but I do know ichokepeople so I will use him. I would never try to pull this off against him. Why? He is much bigger, stronger, and skilled. If something goes wrong with my wonder move, he is going to wrap me up and rape me. He has a ton of options at that point and I have very few. A lot of cool moves will work for skilled people, but your average guy or gal looking to defend themselves in the parking lot aren't usually highly skilled and IMHO would be best served learning concepts, not moves, if they don't plan on making martial arts a life long study.

Exactly. I don't see this working on a person who is actually trying to attack. Would be more of a pre-emptive attack, which would be fitting for a bouncer/security guard.

 

[rhino]

Crossed arms can be. Let me be clear. I think this is a cool move with sound mechanics, it is however low percentage and highly context driven. I am not going to teach people who haven't mastered the basics, who can't put into place pressure, posture, and position a trick move. I can't use you for an example, because I don't know your size or skill (hmmm,) but I do know ichokepeople so I will use him. I would never try to pull this off against him. Why? He is much bigger, stronger, and skilled. If something goes wrong with my wonder move, he is going to wrap me up and rape me. He has a ton of options at that point and I have very few. A lot of cool moves will work for skilled people, but your average guy or gal looking to defend themselves in the parking lot aren't usually highly skilled and IMHO would be best served learning concepts, not moves, if they don't plan on making martial arts a life long study.

And that would be very, very bad.

Don't ask me how I know.

Re: the video, the opening move is the "brachial stun." Some believe it's a high percentage move, some do not, some are skeptical, some reserve judgement. If it doesn't work to setup this move, it would be tough to finish it on someone is strong or massive enough to resist the attempt at rotating them.

 

[bwframe]

Like this, right?

[video=youtube;vhavpBocyow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhavpBocyow[/video]

 

[cedartop]

Like this, right?

[video=youtube;vhavpBocyow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhavpBocyow[/video]

Hard for me to make out on my phone with semi old man eyes, but that looked a little high to be a brachial stun. Which BTW I have used before, but wouldn't count on to be a fight stopper.

 

[Jackson]

What is a "controlled, no rules environment"? Isn't a "controlled" environment, by definition, one with rules or pre-agreed-to contact limits?

 

[iChokePeople]

The guy in the video falls down just trying to get away from the woman... I agree with Mike, didn't look like the right place for the notorious brachial stun, just a sloppy backhand that happens to hit a guy who was barely on his feet from the start. One thing MMA has done pretty well is show us what really does and doesn't work against a resisting opponent.

 

[Woobie]

There is so much hype in martial arts. I suppose that is attributable to the psychology imparted to practitioners and the empowering feeling it can give.

The only style I have ever learned is the Army Combatives, which has some merits. But it is also mostly garbage. The idea is based around subduing an opponent so a friend can finish the fight with a gunshot or flex cuffs. It draws mostly on BJJ. It has little application to a civilian fight. I'm comfortable going to ground, but it's slow, and a good way to get kicked in the head or ribs if you're outnumbered.

Stuff like this intrigues me, because if you can't avoid a fight, it's good to be able to win it immediately and get out before his friends show up. Unfortunately, it seems like the various schools are just doing a bad job teaching the latest, flashiest style, getting you in touch with your inner dragon, or showing you how to score points in a ring.

 

[Double T]

What is a "controlled, no rules environment"? Isn't a "controlled" environment, by definition, one with rules or pre-agreed-to contact limits?

The only rules we went by were no biting, and nothing to eyes/mucous membranes, and to let go if they tap out. That's about it. There were "rules", but you typically only use the outlawed **** if your life was depending on it.

But I don't want you to take my word for it, nor do I care what you think. Any sort of training other than "buying" a belt is beneficial. You do what you want.

 

[Jackson]

The only rules we went by were no biting, and nothing to eyes/mucous membranes, and to let go if they tap out. That's about it. There were "rules", but you typically only use the outlawed **** if your life was depending on it.

But I don't want you to take my word for it, nor do I care what you think. Any sort of training other than "buying" a belt is beneficial. You do what you want.

Hey, I don't care what I think either (you read that right, referring to myself). I don't have an opinion yet. I'm just asking for clarification. You say there are no rules except for the "rules" and you could break the "rules" (as opposed to the rules) if your life depended on it.

What I'm trying to say is I still don't really know what you're trying to say. I'm interested in improving and finding the best training methods for my limited resources. Since we both agree that my opinion doesn't matter, can you elaborate a bit on your training methods and how you used them to construct a "controlled, no rules environment"? And what kind of techniques worked in that environment? Then maybe we can have a discussion and learn from each other? Pretty please?

 

[iChokePeople]

Guess not.