Speaker Mike Johnson

[KG1]

Pretty much. Do you believe if the rinos and conservatives split, conservatives would have more or less power? Would Jim Jordan get near a chairmanship? Much less an important one?
They are. As I referenced above they put some weird coalitions together and control the infighting.

The bottom-line issue with the GOP is the constant splintering of the party because as it sits right now it's neutering them.

I believe conservatives need to get off their butts, acknowledge how bad things are, and work hard and fund the candidates they want in primaries, and stop all the whining about what “they” do, the establishment, and others to just take control. The conservatives can do it but must get out of the normalcy bias zone and or defeatist thinking…

Agreed. If conservatives want to shift the party, then they need to work harder to get their candidates seated otherwise they'll just have to find a way to work within the party make-up until they do.

 

[DadSmith]

Pretty much. Do you believe if the rinos and conservatives split, conservatives would have more or less power? Would Jim Jordan get near a chairmanship? Much less an important one?


They are. As I referenced above they put some weird coalitions together and control the infighting.

I believe conservatives need to get off their butts, acknowledge how bad things are, and work hard and fund the candidates they want in primaries, and stop all the whining about what “they” do, the establishment, and others to just take control. The conservatives can do it but must get out of the normalcy bias zone and or defeatist thinking…

For one conservatives will not align themselves with socialists, and that is what Rinos are.
It will never happen if conservatives hold on to morality, and the constitution.
If conservatives lose morality, and no longer care about the constitution then yeah why not unite the parties, and well for that matter join the Democrat party.
All rinos have to do is go along with a few more unconstitutional laws, and hey both parties are united. No reason to be separated anymore.

Why don't we all just get along?
Well the only ones being asked to compromise is conservatives. The left, and rinos are not compromising anything.

 

[Shadow01]

So we have a structure were conservatives are required to align with rinos to survive, but rinos have the freedom to align with dems as they wish? Sounds like someone believes they are in a more powerful position than they may actually be in. I’ve heard for decades that we must stick together. I just don’t believe that anymore. It’s BS to keep the rinos on their perch. The scared and weak will always resist trying something different. They will also be the ones crying the loudest to stop others from making a change. “Oh please don’t do that. Do you know what that will cause? We can’t afford to let that happen. We must slowly work to change from within. To not do so would be catastrophic.”

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Have I not clearly explained the power structure that exists between dems, rinos, and conservatives? Can you recognize that there are a lot of purple districts out there that are very happy with their rino representatives? But that by aligning with them in one team the conservatives get more power than they could if they were on their own?

Please answer this, is there any scenario other than what we currently have that Jim Jordan is a powerful committee chair? If there is, please explain how that scenario works?

We need a republican version of a Nancy Pelosi--someone that can just get stuff done. But we won't. Unlike democrats republicans are always too worried about the next election to go for it when the occasion presents itself.

 

[Ingomike]

The bottom-line issue with the GOP is the constant splintering of the party because as it sits right now it's neutering them.

I disagree here. If they actually did split I believe the conservatives would have far less power than they have now. Do you believe it would increase if they split?

Agreed. If conservatives want to shift the party, then they need to work harder to get their candidates seated otherwise they'll just have to find a way to work within the party make-up until they do.

We must do this, get better conservatives in the primary. The hard part if finding the candidates. Way easier to find rinos.

 

[Ingomike]

For one conservatives will not align themselves with socialists, and that is what Rinos are.

They currently are.

It will never happen if conservatives hold on to morality, and the constitution.
If conservatives lose morality, and no longer care about the constitution then yeah why not unite the parties, and well for that matter join the Democrat party.

Culture socialists are not communists like the dems are.

All rinos have to do is go along with a few more unconstitutional laws, and hey both parties are united. No reason to be separated anymore.

Why don't we all just get along?
Well the only ones being asked to compromise is conservatives. The left, and rinos are not compromising anything.

Where do conservatives get their power? You will not engage my questions trying to have a discussion here.

 

[KG1]

I disagree here. If they actually did split I believe the conservatives would have far less power than they have now. Do you believe it would increase if they split?

I think you're misreading my post. I'm not calling for a split. I'm saying that the constant infighting between the different factions is neutering the party as a whole. If there is a split, then that doesn't work towered a united GOP front either.

 

[Ingomike]

We need a republican version of a Nancy Pelosi--someone that can just get stuff done. But we won't. Unlike democrats republicans are always too worried about the next election to go for it when the occasion presents itself.

There would need to be a unification of republican power to get that. Do you agree with my premise laid out here? Dems are united, rinos and conservatives share power to equal that power, at least in the congress. That if there was a split the rinos would accept the power they could get by voting with the majority dems and conservatives would have none?

Do you think if there was a split Jim Jordan has an important chairmanship?

 

[Ingomike]

I believe a big normalcy bias of conservatives is to believe that the other republican voters think like they do and that those voters reps are not voting as they would want them to, all while they believe conservatives are not “true republicans”…

 

[DadSmith]

They currently are.

I'm not nor conservatives I know. Braun, Paul and a few other in the senate aren't.
House has many more that aren't.
Tens of millions of conservative voters aren't as well.

Culture socialists are not communists like the dems are.

If that's what you think, that's your prerogative.
I disagree.
It's well known socialists turn communists once they are given the chance.

Where do conservatives get their power? You will not engage my questions trying to have a discussion here.

By conservative voter's.

 

[Ingomike]

I'm not nor conservatives I know. Braun, Paul and a few other in the senate aren't.
House has many more that aren't.
Tens of millions of conservative voters aren't as well.

Are you and they not associated with the rino dem lights of the republican party?

If that's what you think, that's your prerogative.
I disagree.
It's well known socialists turn communists once they are given the chance.

Who runs the republican show in DC? You think it is conservatives? Newsflash they don’t. Most purple republicans are what you and I call socialists.

By conservative voter's.

No because there are not enough of them to give the speakership to a conservative as we saw in the speaker thread.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Let’s unpack this a bit. The left will be the left, so no changes expected by me there. You agree?

Then we split the republican party in half and call them conservatives and rinos. If the rinos like legislation they can easily vote with dems on about anything, it would be rare they would join the conservatives on legislation as they have so little in common.

The big thing they have in common is both want to wield the power of their combined forces against the dems power. Without each other, they are both just minority parties. Republicans/RINO’s/Conservatives are in the same tent only because they must be to have any real power to go against the dems power.

I do not believe HK is in the same part of the party as you and I are. This pattern can be found all over INGO, even in the Jim Lucas thread.

Do you really think conservatives splitting off into a third party will make a positive difference?

Hell no. Glad to see the unity message.

 

[Ingomike]

This was interesting to this topic. Moderates of both parties have moved to the Republican Party.

“among Democrats, Republicans are downright evil. Being moderate, much less conservative, is, therefore, a moral failure. You can’t be a moderate Democrat anymore, but you can be a moderate Republican.”

I can agree with this, I disagree with her positions but not her actions.

“We’re not talking about Susan Collins here. Maine is a blue state, so she’s the best we are ever going to do. You can’t hold her being a moderate against her because she doesn’t pretend to be anything else.”

It is the red state pols like Young we need to replace.

”I’m talking about conservatives who don’t care what they’re saying at the Georgetown cocktail soirees. These studs are out there, but they are sometimes paired with the worst of the spaghetti spine squadron. Here in Texas, my soon-to-be adopted home, we’ve got hard-core Ted Cruz. The libs think he’s the antichrist, which would normally be a compliment to them. Yet he’s paired with John Cronyn (?-TX). Overcooked linguine has more spinal solidarity than John “Common Sense Gun Control Compromise” Cornyn. And Utah’s Mike Lee, who led the cavalry charge into the exposed flank of Schumer’s garbage immigration bill like Theoden led the Riders of Rohan into the flank of Sauron’s army, is paired with Mitt Romney. If Mitt was any softer, he would be a fluid, and he kind of is one.”

Why Are Red State Republicans Often Such Losers?

townhall.com

 

[bgcatty]

Simply put, the current speaker is out of his element and incompetent. My !

 

[DadSmith]

House Republican eyes alternative path forward on Ukraine aid after Johnson rejects Senate deal - Washington Examiner

The move comes after the Senate passed its foreign aid supplemental earlier this week but has already been rejected by GOP leadership in the House.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Glad he got a little spine stiffening.

 

[DadSmith]

House GOP leadership reverse course and consider bucking individual spending bills - Washington Examiner

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) is considering backing away from his stance to take votes on 12 funding bills individually to avoid a shutdown.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Disappointing.

 

[DadSmith]

Johnson tells members that GOP chaos has undermined his negotiation power in funding debate

Speaker Johnson told members of his party that dissension among House GOP members had given Democrats the upper hand in government funding negotiations.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I'm glad something is stopping him from getting back in bed with the Democrat's.

 

[printcraft]

House GOP leadership reverse course and consider bucking individual spending bills - Washington Examiner

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) is considering backing away from his stance to take votes on 12 funding bills individually to avoid a shutdown.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Disappointing.

Seems to be a pattern of backing down after a previous “strong” opening.
Weak willed.

 

[DadSmith]

Congress unveils first appropriations package ahead of looming shutdown deadline - Washington Examiner

Congress unveiled its first appropriations package over the weekend, teeing the legislation up for a vote sometime this week.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Minibus lol.
It still has a lot of compromise in favor of the Democrat's. That's why Chucky has no problem with it in its current state.
Conservative Republicans need to say no, and hold fast to passing one bill at a time.

 

[Shadow01]

He’s looking for an excuse to come in line with the dems. Only difference between Johnson and McConnell is his age.