Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[erasure]

Eighty billion well spent. We sure showed those ruskies, didn't we.

 

[actaeon277]

"mushroom cloud"

Clickbait much? God I'm so tired of Ukraine propaganda.

meh. most bombs have mushroom clouds. Just nukes are bigger.
Though yes, probably kinda click baity.

 

[nra4ever]

Investigation into Nord Stream pipeline sabotage reignites the race to control the seabed

The explosions in the Baltic Sea at the end of September, which damaged the two pipelines, have prompted several European countries to strengthen their capacities.

www.lemonde.fr

 

[DragonGunner]

Reports that the Russian missiles hit German embassy. However reports saying it wasn’t in use. This was on Timcast.com.

 

[Principal Skinr]

That last one looks like it was at a vulnerable altitude if Ukraine had the proper equipment for that kind of threat.

The Russians keep going back to what they do best....try to terrorize civilian populations. But Ukranians have been there for too long for it to have any significant effect anymore. Another sign of Russian desperation. Maybe generals or the defense secretary trying to impress Putin and stay alive another day.

 

[BigMoose]

Well the Bear struck back, with whatever fancy conventional long range munitions they had left...

Sources say that Russia is now TAPPED OUT as far as a lot of these sort of munitions.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Do the Rooskies have any precision munitions? I’m leaning towards no at this point. I know everything they dropped in Syria was dumb.

I’m no JAG, but I did sit through an awful lot of Law Of Armed Conflict training over the years. A bridge used to supply the forces attacking you? Lawful target. Random civilians in cities? That’s a big no. Retaliation is authorized under LOAC if it is in-kind. They bomb your civilians, you can bomb their civilians. That is not what happened here. That bridge was a legitimate military target, civilians are not.

 

[BigRed]

Eighty billion well spent. We sure showed those ruskies, didn't we.

For only 10% of that amount.....

 

[oze]

If I've learned nothing else from this thread, I have come to realize that you can learn a lot about a person by the sources they cite.

 

[oze]

Eighty billion well spent. We sure showed those ruskies, didn't we.

You seem pleased that "those ruskies" are targeting civilians. That is grotesque.

 

[Ark]

That last one looks like it was at a vulnerable altitude if Ukraine had the proper equipment for that kind of threat.

There was a video today of someone picking off a cruise missile with a lucky MANPADS shot. They're staying low to avoid bigger air defense, which means slower. Get lucky with readiness and a long enough target presentation and you might pop one.

 

[Principal Skinr]

There was a video today of someone picking off a cruise missile with a lucky MANPADS shot. They're staying low to avoid bigger air defense, which means slower. Get lucky with readiness and a long enough target presentation and you might pop one.

Yep. But if Ukraine had a fighter (F-15, F-16) with solid look-down shoot-down capability, those things would be easy pickings at that altitude and speed.

 

[cobber]

Well the Bear struck back, with whatever fancy conventional long range munitions they had left...

Sources say that Russia is now TAPPED OUT as far as a lot of these sort of munitions.

Ukrainians apparently aren't tapped out of Western ordnance yet. Go us!

 

[BigMoose]

Do the Rooskies have any precision munitions? I’m leaning towards no at this point. I know everything they dropped in Syria was dumb.

They do have smart free fall munitions, but seem to have used much, and don't want to risk the planes by flying over the target anyway.

But as far as the TU bomber fleet, they seem to be critically low on conventional cruise missiles.
Supporting this is the number of S-300 SAMs being used in a surface to surface role. Both from ship, and from SAM batteries.
There were a few conventional ballistic missiles, MLRS, and sea launch thrown in.

From all these sources, the Russians could only scrape enough together to launch at 84 targets... plus the 24 drones.

This reminds me of the Blitz of London type deal, Ukraine has maned to tick them off and got them to make a rash decision and divert (particularly the drones) away from where they might do any good on the front lines. Instead they launch them at strategic targets they really don't have the accuracy to hit anyway. Well maybe the slow drones can hit them. But the drones are one of the few things that has been working to some effect for the Russians.

Now the Russians are likely critically low on this stuff, and the front lines still collapse on the Russians.

 

[BigMoose]

Detailed video on the railway bridge.


jeebus, do you know what temperature that has to be to do that to railway steel?

 

[nra4ever]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/china-india-russia/2022/10/10/id/1091286/

 

[Wolfhound]

There was a video today of someone picking off a cruise missile with a lucky MANPADS shot. They're staying low to avoid bigger air defense, which means slower. Get lucky with readiness and a long enough target presentation and you might pop one.

Watch a Ukrainian soldier take out a Russian cruise missile with a MANPADS

Great shot kid, that was one in a million!

taskandpurpose.com

Found the video. Cruise missiles look easier to shoot down than aircraft. They don’t try to evade or fire flares. I’m sure it’s not very common. Have to be in the right place at the right time.

 

[Leadeye]

Do the Rooskies have any precision munitions? I’m leaning towards no at this point. I know everything they dropped in Syria was dumb.

I’m no JAG, but I did sit through an awful lot of Law Of Armed Conflict training over the years. A bridge used to supply the forces attacking you? Lawful target. Random civilians in cities? That’s a big no. Retaliation is authorized under LOAC if it is in-kind. They bomb your civilians, you can bomb their civilians. That is not what happened here. That bridge was a legitimate military target, civilians are not.

I wondered the same thing after looking at the damage pictures, they look more like V-1 accuracy.

As I remember US stuff can literally knock on the front door, or come down the chimney.

 

[DragonGunner]

Former Trump guy Pompae however you spell it, beating the war drums of total victory over Russia at all costs. We must give all and every resource to Ukraine to defeat and break Russia. Russia is a major threat and totally superior in armament and can take out Ukraine…..????…. Yet I keep seeing Russia failing, being beat and running out of arms…..? I wonder how much stock he had in the military? Then right after that interview I watched Jesse Waters talk about oil… and all the lithium in Afghanistan and east Ukraine. And we gave up Afghan to China. Last lithium up for grabs is now Ukraine. Ya all making sense now. Like I once said, it’s a big club and we ain’t in it.

 

[DragonGunner]

Saw this today....I had been interested in more details about why Russia went into Ukraine. Thought it was a good listen. Goes straight back to Obama, and Biden. We just can't keep our noses out of crap.....why...I still think its all the lithium and other stuff Biden and stock holders plan to get rich off. War is great, politicians make $$$, CIA gets money, the military machine gets $$$, Biden and stock holders get $$$$, they don't die....its someone else. "At this point what does it matter now!" Hillary Clinton. We just keep poking that bear.