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RED DOT SIGHTS
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BLUF: If it's going on a .22LR, a Venom is OK. Otherwise look for better options than the Venom.
The long version:
I have a Venom: Venom on Amazon
It's meh. I moved the Vortex Venom to my Rugger 22/45:
To me, the 3MOA dot combined with the small window...not good. It only works for me because the Ruger has no recoil to speak of.
I put a Romeo 1 Pro on my P320. Yes it was $100 more (on sale) but it is night and day better.
The long version:
I have a Venom: Venom on Amazon
It's meh. I moved the Vortex Venom to my Rugger 22/45:
To me, the 3MOA dot combined with the small window...not good. It only works for me because the Ruger has no recoil to speak of.
I put a Romeo 1 Pro on my P320. Yes it was $100 more (on sale) but it is night and day better.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Snagged several PA MD25s on sale recently. Very happy with them.
Holosun 510C is something worth considering:
Holosun 510C is something worth considering:
Despite being made in China (as most other brands' inexpensive optics are), Holosun has a pretty solid reputation.
Aaron Cowman of Sage Dynamics has done fairly detailed evaluations of numerous Holosun models on youtube including his drop testing onto hard surfaces.
Aaron Cowman of Sage Dynamics has done fairly detailed evaluations of numerous Holosun models on youtube including his drop testing onto hard surfaces.
I understand people being leery with red dots but honestly….. the chance of needing your firearm in self defense 1%….. the chance of needing it AND your holosun crapping out at the same time .00001% chance of needing it holosun crapping out AND being outside of point shooting range .000000001%
Obviously made up the % and not exactly the question asked but as for the question….. holosun has not failed me yet. No I would not want to trust my life to a no name Amazon airsoft red dot.
Obviously made up the % and not exactly the question asked but as for the question….. holosun has not failed me yet. No I would not want to trust my life to a no name Amazon airsoft red dot.
Have at least 6 of the Vortex Venoms and have had pretty good results with them , used on 22 revolvers and semi-auto , Smith 686 357 Mag and Glock 34 9mm. Most have the 3 MOA for target shooting although the G34 has a 6MOA. One Venom I used on a 22 revolver maxed out trying to adjust elevation ,sent in and Vortex sent me back a brand new sealed in box sight. Getting the battery cover on the Vortex is a little tricky , about the only little gripe I have.
Have the smaller Holosun 407K with 6MOA used on compact 9mms and even a Sig P322 22lr for a while , very nice , easy to change battery , easy to operate. Seem to be very well made units. May go with a large model is they ever make a 3 or 4 MOA version.
In quality RD classes they go over how to aim using the back plate or side angle of a slide on Glock aka Jim Cirilo style. Within close distance (like a revolver cylinder equal amount of bad guys torso on both sides of the gun within 7-10 yards your gonna hit him somewhere! . The term “point shooting” is really sort of a misnomer. What’s old is new again
Just remember that 87% of the statistics out there are inflated 50% by 72% of the people stating them...YMMV (by up to 42%).
One thing to consider is the location of the battery covers. Not that you have to change the batteries often, but...
None of my red dots/holographic sights require removing them to change out the batteries. Just a small plus in my book.
None of my red dots/holographic sights require removing them to change out the batteries. Just a small plus in my book.
NHT3
Grandmaster
I've had excellent results with Holosuns but my experience is with 9mm and 22 pistol only.. I like the 507 models because there are 3 reticle choices possible but if you just want a dot only 407s are good. I don't think there's a better bang for your buck.
Gunmetalgray
Sharpshooter
A Holosun with shake awake. Game changer.
I own several 507C's, a couple 507K's, a 407k and enjoy shooting with all of them. I've tried a few from other vendors, like the venom, swampfox, sig and others and prefer the Holosuns personally. Very good value for what you get.
What are you putting it on? I'm sold on the Holosun from Primary Arms with the ACSS Vulcan reticle and don't want anything else on a pistol. That's been fine for duty size guns with the 507c but the micro pistols have been stuck with the 407k w/6moa dot up until now. The 507k is finally available now with the Vulcan reticle and Primary Arms dumped a slew of them on ebay last week. They were all listed as used or open box so my assumption is that they were either NRA display pieces or possibly returns from testing/evaluation. Musta sold close to a hundred of them last week,.....eight are coming here tomorrow and I'll be swapping out my 407k's. I did manage to pick up one green and one red 507k w/ACSS a couple of months ago when Primary Arms had a similar dump. Those were probably 'used' units form SHOT. I managed to get one from PA at a good price but was too late on the second and had to get it from a reseller at a much higher price.
I don't believe you stated what firearm you're looking to mount the RDS on.
Because the answers for a pistol differ from that of a rifle - maybe.
And within the "pistol" category - there's a WIDE chasm between what'll hold up on a .22 vs. what'll hold up to duty use on a duty pistol. Same with a rifle.
Because the answers for a pistol differ from that of a rifle - maybe.
And within the "pistol" category - there's a WIDE chasm between what'll hold up on a .22 vs. what'll hold up to duty use on a duty pistol. Same with a rifle.
Vortex versus Holosun in pistol RDS right now is not even close, you always buy the Holosun. Words cannot quite describe how annoyed I am with Trijicon for not taking my money with a sealed USA made RDS but Holosun is the king of pistol red dots right now.
I'd like to look through a Leupold DPP but nobody has any in stock.
Its Trijicon RMR or Holosun, everywhere I go.
Or lesser.
Haven't seen an Acro P2 yet either.
Have a Sightmark Minishot M spec, been fine, but am trying to ditch the Chinesium.
Its Trijicon RMR or Holosun, everywhere I go.
Or lesser.
Haven't seen an Acro P2 yet either.
Have a Sightmark Minishot M spec, been fine, but am trying to ditch the Chinesium.
