Quit telling me a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama

[TiminMishawaka]

Sounds to me like a vote for a guy who isn't your guy is a vote for your guy's main competition. Seems presumptuous. An Obama supporter could say the same thing. It's math. If 11 people vote, 5 for the R and 5 for the D, the last guy voting for an independent doesn't make the D win. You're operating under the premise that everyone should come to the conclusion that Romney is the lesser of two evils. That may be the case in your opinion. In someone else's it may be that they are pretty much equivalent.

Tell me one thing Democrats have done in the past 4 years that the Libertarian party stands for.

 

[ATM]

...The mission here is to get President Obama out of the White House...

Your mission might serve my immediate indulgences well, but would leave my children and grandchildren in the strengthened grip of the same establishment that is destroying our country.

No, my mission is to help set the stage for a break from the idea that we must select from the worst two possible choices thrust upon us, and that they will always get to take turns jointly destroying us.

 

[SideArmed]

It's about not wasting my time. He was the perfect example of the kind of person I don't waste my time with.

My apologies, I mis-quoted you. I had gotten you confused with another poster in this thread.

Carry on.

 

[shibumiseeker]

If the day ever comes that my choice is between "democrat lite" and Libertarian, I'll vote Libertarian. Until then, I'll vote to stave off the "Socialist-Democrats" by voting for the other party which consistently draws more than 10% of the national vote.

That's fine, I have no issue with that. I have an issue with as Tim so quaintly put it "someone peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining" which is what the people who try to tell me not to vote for the candidate that best represents my principles, regardless of his or her chance of winning. And I'll respect your voting for someone who best represents your principles. What I won't stand for is some fool telling me that I should vote for someone I don't want simply because the fool wants that candidate to win.

 

[TiminMishawaka]

That's fine, I have no issue with that. I have an issue with as Tim so quaintly put it "someone peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining" which is what the people who try to tell me not to vote for the candidate that best represents my principles, regardless of his or her chance of winning. And I'll respect your voting for someone who best represents your principles. What I won't stand for is some fool telling me that I should vote for someone I don't want simply because the fool wants that candidate to win.

Maybe you can tell me one thing Democrats have done in the past 4 years that the Libertarian party stands for.

 

[Birds Away]

A vote for the anti-establishment is a vote for the loser.

We can play these stupid semantics all day. When you'd like to discuss reality, we've saved a seat for you.

Amen, no Republican president is ever going to go after the 2nd amendment. It would be political suicide. We have the possibility that the next president will have to make one or possibly two SCOTUS nominations. If the Socialist in Chief is still in office then our cause is lost. At some point in your life you will realize that you can't get exactly what you want. Attacking your friends as if they were your enemies simply illustrates that you don't understand that. If you vote for anyone other than Romney, you are effectively voting for a liberal supreme court. If and when that happens we will be lucky if we are able to post on this forum in another couple of years. Cheers to you.

 

[TiminMishawaka]

If you vote for anyone other than Romney, you are effectively voting for a liberal supreme court. If and when that happens we will be lucky if we are able to post on this forum in another couple of years. Cheers to you.

FINALLY! Someone gets it! The most important thing about getting a Republican in office is to keep completely unqualified idiots like that activist Kagan OFF the Supreme Court! The first principle of politics is you have to WIN an election. If you don't WIN you will never even move the ball down the field toward your goals.

 

[shibumiseeker]

Maybe you can tell me one thing Democrats have done in the past 4 years that the Libertarian party stands for.

Maybe you can stop wasting the effort trying to distract me from the points I made. I'm not going to engage your topic of debate because I care as much for your point of view as you do mine.

 

[hornadylnl]

Sounds to me like a vote for a guy who isn't your guy is a vote for your guy's main competition. Seems presumptuous. An Obama supporter could say the same thing. It's math. If 11 people vote, 5 for the R and 5 for the D, the last guy voting for an independent doesn't make the D win. You're operating under the premise that everyone should come to the conclusion that Romney is the lesser of two evils. That may be the case in your opinion. In someone else's it may be that they are pretty much equivalent.

Voting tallies work off of new math. If there are 3 candidates in the race and you vote for the least popular candidate, your vote gets applied twice. Once for your candidate and once for the winner. Somehow those new fangled voting computers turn 1+0+0 to equals 2.

 

[Glock19]

My vote for a third party is a protest vote, and just because someone is going to vote for the lesser of two evils doesn't mean they are right, it just means they don't have the character to vote their principles.

+1 on this. Voting for whoever you believe in no matter his/her chances of winning the election is one of the greatest rights you can have. Vote your own way based on what you believe and who you believe will be best for this country.

 

[Jack Burton]

I think the "third party voters" are secretly hoping that they can elect more democrats to the national elections with the idea that the country will turn so bad the general population will somehow come to see them as the only available rescuers.

 

[TiminMishawaka]

Maybe you can stop wasting the effort trying to distract me from the points I made. I'm not going to engage your topic of debate because I care as much for your point of view as you do mine.

You can't find one, can you?

 

[TiminMishawaka]

I think the "third party voters" are secretly hoping that they can elect more democrats to the national elections with the idea that the country will turn so bad the general population will somehow come to see them as the only available rescuers.

It's more just a matter of ego. People want to really feel that they matter in life so rather than being a small part of a large group, they'd rather be part of a smaller group of "cool" nonconformists where pure math increases their chances of being a big fish in a small pond. They're like the hipsters of politics. Their first priority is to be different, but different along with their core group of organized anarchists.

 

[shibumiseeker]

You can't find one, can you?

I'm not looking. There are a few people in this thread I'll take seriously and give their discussion serious consideration, like Blackhawk, but you're not one of them. You're a True Believer and I don't have much use for True Believers, especially when you've adequately demonstrated you don't take what I'm saying seriously either.

 

[hornadylnl]

Amen, no Republican president is ever going to go after the 2nd amendment. It would be political suicide. We have the possibility that the next president will have to make one or possibly two SCOTUS nominations. If the Socialist in Chief is still in office then our cause is lost. At some point in your life you will realize that you can't get exactly what you want. Attacking your friends as if they were your enemies simply illustrates that you don't understand that. If you vote for anyone other than Romney, you are effectively voting for a liberal supreme court. If and when that happens we will be lucky if we are able to post on this forum in another couple of years. Cheers to you.

And what exactly has the repub party done to treat libertarian leaning people as friends? The repub party slams libertarian ideas every chance they get and yet they stand there on election day like welfare queens demanding our votes. I'm not any more hated by dems than I am repubs.

 

[shibumiseeker]

And what exactly has the repub party done to treat libertarian leaning people as friends? The repub party slams libertarian ideas every chance they get and yet they stand there on election day like welfare queens demanding our votes. I'm not any more hated by dems than I am repubs.

*laughs* amen to that.

 

[hornadylnl]

It's more just a matter of ego. People want to really feel that they matter in life so rather than being a small part of a large group, they'd rather be part of a smaller group of "cool" nonconformists where pure math increases their chances of being a big fish in a small pond. They're like the hipsters of politics. Their first priority is to be different, but different along with their core group of organized anarchists.

I'm surprised it took 53 posts before the anarchy accusations came out.

 

[Birds Away]

Voting tallies work off of new math. If there are 3 candidates in the race and you vote for the least popular candidate, your vote gets applied twice. Once for your candidate and once for the winner. Somehow those new fangled voting computers turn 1+0+0 to equals 2.

Ok, see if you can follow along. You have the left. They all like thier guy. You have the right. They split their votes among two candidates. If both sides are about equal who will win? Come on, you can do it.

 

[hornadylnl]

I think the "third party voters" are secretly hoping that they can elect more democrats to the national elections with the idea that the country will turn so bad the general population will somehow come to see them as the only available rescuers.

There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those who want to control others and those who don't. These two types of people will never understand each other. I don't want to control you or be your rescuer. I just want you to leave me the hell alone.

 

[hornadylnl]

Ok, see if you can follow along. You have the left. They all like thier guy. You have the right. They split their votes among two candidates. If both sides are about equal who will win? Come on, you can do it.

Words like left, right, conservative, and liberal used to have meaning. Those words have become so bastardized that none of them fit me. Come on, you can do it.