Quit telling me a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama

[blamecharles]

I feel that voting against someone instead of voting for who i want is worse than throwing away my vote. I want to vote for the person i think will make a difference instead of doing less damage than X. If i vote for the lesser of two evils then i still voted for evil instead of who i want. The old saying about dont ***** unless you voted, it means vote for who you want not against the one you dont. I voted against Obama last time, i will vote for who i want this time. I don't care which one gets in, unless its my candidate, at least i voted for who i thought would make a difference.

 

[mdeshon]

I agree with the OP. But since I do not like Mitt or Obama my vote is going to Ron Paul. But at least Mitt is for the 2nd but he says he will not remove any laws that are currently in place, but will not add any new ones.

 

[buckstopshere]

I agree with the OP. But since I do not like Mitt or Obama my vote is going to Ron Paul. But at least Mitt is for the 2nd but he says he will not remove any laws that are currently in place, but will not add any new ones.

What makes you think Mitt is for the 2A? His words?

I tell my oldest daughter all the time that you never listen to a boys words. He will say whatever he has to in order to get what he wants. You have to watch his actions, how he treats other people, look at his character but mute his mouth.

Romney is like a teenage boy. Look at his voting record in Mass, check out the things he has done, not just what he says.

In that respect, I think BHO does a better job. He said what he was wanting to do, just didn't call it socialism, and then proceeded to do it.

Neither will get my vote. Gary Johnson looks like the best candidate to me if Dr Paul doesn't win the nomination.

 

[spec4]

Ross Perot gave us Clinton.

 

[J_Wales]

When did we get another party?

It seems like it has been one party for decades.

 

[88GT]

A vote for the Establishment is a vote for the Establishment.

Put that in your pipes and smoke it.

A vote for the anti-establishment is a vote for the loser.

We can play these stupid semantics all day. When you'd like to discuss reality, we've saved a seat for you.

 

[melensdad]

When did we get another party?

It seems like it has been one party for decades.

I totally agree with this point One reason I like they Tea Party wing of the GOP is they are TRYING to get the GOP back to its roots from inside the party. Ditto the Libertarian wing of the GOP (Ron and Rand Paul) working within the system to change the direction of the party. I don't agree with everything the GOP does, in fact there is a lot I don't like. I also don't agree with everything the Libertarians support, despite the fact that I am a strong supporter of the Libertarian movement. The Tea Party is somewhat dysfunctional in some of their ideals, its clearly not Libertarian, but much of the supporters are Libertarian leaning and that is the right direction.

If the GOP can move toward the Tea Party and Libertarian way then we will return to a real 2 party system.

A vote for the anti-establishment is a vote for the loser.

We can play these stupid semantics all day. When you'd like to discuss reality, we've saved a seat for you.

Stop making sense. Nobody wants to see a common sense remark in these threads.

 

[jeremy]

When you'd like to discuss reality, we've saved a seat for you.

No thanks, I have enough reality here for me...

Now if you would like to talk about fantasies...
I am curious where the seat is at...

 

[SideArmed]

I rest my case.

So you would rather vote for someone who's politics you don't agree with, then someone who's politics you don't agree with? Wait..... I'm confused?

 

[shibumiseeker]

Every whiner out there who can't stand the thought that not everyone thinks exactly like them will tell you that if you don't believe every fool thing they believe that you're just wasting time. I don't waste my time with those people

So you would rather vote for someone who's politics you don't agree with, then someone who's politics you don't agree with? Wait..... I'm confused?

It's about not wasting my time. He was the perfect example of the kind of person I don't waste my time with.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

In specific, most of us would rather not see four more years of the Obama Administration. Voting for the Libertarians will not advance that agenda. It's so heroic to "vote my principles", but it's oh so useless as well. In any event, it's an individual choice, so vote as you will - but don't think your particular choice entitles you to the moral high ground.

 

[shibumiseeker]

In specific, most of us would rather not see four more years of the Obama Administration. Voting for the Libertarians will not advance that agenda. It's so heroic to "vote my principles", but it's oh so useless as well. In any event, it's an individual choice, so vote as you will - but don't think your particular choice entitles you to the moral high ground.

Maybe I don't want to see four years of a Romney presidency either. No moral highground there, simply voting my principles. Both major parties are for things I stand for and both are against things I stand for, and neither candidate will represent my views and interests nearly as well as the person I do vote for, who also won't perfectly represent my interests. I know a lot of dyed in the wool conservatives think that everyone who owns a gun thinks like they do, or should think like they do, but that's the fantasy world 88gt was discussing.

 

[PistolBob]

The difference between Romney and the other candidates is he has momentum, and they do not. As Romney begins to surge in the polls, that means others are losing their momentum if they even had any. The mission here is to get President Obama out of the White House. In just over 27 weeks we will choose a new president and a new congress. None of the options are ideal in my opinion, but I know which one is worse. Whine all you want about having to choose between the lesser of two evils, but try to understand the reality of the present situation. Keep canning food.

 

[TiminMishawaka]

Anyone who doesn't realize that a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama needs to re-familiarize themselves with how the Libertarian party utterly screwed up our chance to removed the pro-Obamacare voting Donnelly with Jackie Walorski. The spread between the two was 1.4% of the vote but The Democrat Party aided the Libertarian party in diluting away enough conservatives to make sure that even though Donnelly didn't win the majority of the vote, he still had the greatest number of votes.

DEMOCRATIC Party Endorses Libertarian Mark Vogel Says NO To JOE! – Mark Vogel for Congress


If you Libertarians look at this and FAIL to see how you are being used as puppets by political professionals on the left then you are simply kidding yourselves.

 

[MolonLabe11B]

Ron Paul 2012!!!!

 

[shibumiseeker]

If you Libertarians look at this and FAIL to see how you are being used as puppets by political professionals on the left then you are simply kidding yourselves.

That makes the assumption that a libertarian vote also only siphons off votes from conservatives as if libertarians were merely some different form of conservative. They are not, and they siphon of a very similar number of votes from democrats.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Maybe I don't want to see four years of a Romney presidency either. No moral highground there, simply voting my principles. Both major parties are for things I stand for and both are against things I stand for, and neither candidate will represent my views and interests nearly as well as the person I do vote for, who also won't perfectly represent my interests. I know a lot of dyed in the wool conservatives think that everyone who owns a gun thinks like they do, or should think like they do, but that's the fantasy world 88gt was discussing.

If the day ever comes that my choice is between "democrat lite" and Libertarian, I'll vote Libertarian. Until then, I'll vote to stave off the "Socialist-Democrats" by voting for the other party which consistently draws more than 10% of the national vote.

 

[TiminMishawaka]

That makes the assumption that a libertarian vote also only siphons off votes from conservatives as if libertarians were merely some different form of conservative. They are not, and they siphon of a very similar number of votes from democrats.

So Libertarians would vote in favor of the largest growth in the Federal Government we've ever seen in the past 50 years? Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

 

[HICKMAN]

vote for whoever you want.

Generally only half the country of voting age does... so it won't matter.

Just blame those who stay home.

 

[cqcn88]

Anyone who doesn't realize that a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama needs to re-familiarize themselves with how the Libertarian party utterly screwed up our chance to removed the pro-Obamacare voting Donnelly with Jackie Walorski. The spread between the two was 1.4% of the vote but The Democrat Party aided the Libertarian party in diluting away enough conservatives to make sure that even though Donnelly didn't win the majority of the vote, he still had the greatest number of votes.

DEMOCRATIC Party Endorses Libertarian Mark Vogel Says NO To JOE! – Mark Vogel for Congress


If you Libertarians look at this and FAIL to see how you are being used as puppets by political professionals on the left then you are simply kidding yourselves.

Sounds to me like a vote for a guy who isn't your guy is a vote for your guy's main competition. Seems presumptuous. An Obama supporter could say the same thing. It's math. If 11 people vote, 5 for the R and 5 for the D, the last guy voting for an independent doesn't make the D win. You're operating under the premise that everyone should come to the conclusion that Romney is the lesser of two evils. That may be the case in your opinion. In someone else's it may be that they are pretty much equivalent.