Quit telling me a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama

[Jack Burton]

I just want you to leave me the hell alone.

I'm sure Obama will give you special dispensation after you help re-elect him.

 

[IndyBeerman]

The main objective is to get Obama out of office, he can not have four more years to select two left leaning USSCJ's. That will be Obama's rainmaker and it will leave a viable mark on our future that will be huge and that can take a decade or more to correct. By allowing Obama four more years to screw us over, the repercussions could take more than our lifetime to change.

We've seen his first four years, are people really willing to let him have another four more to screw it up worst for us?

From a purely 2A standpoint, he will attack it at will and from every angle because he knew if this was done in his first term he would have no second term to do it.

From a personal point, I can not justify wasting my vote by casting it for a 3rd party, I did it once with Perot, never again until there is a candidate that can move the populace and garner at least 40% of the national vote.

Yes I'll be voting for the lesser of two evils, but Rome was not built in a day, therefor baby steps in the right direction need to be taken. This will not happen overnight and for a viable 3rd party to exist, he will need to start his run for office on January 21st 2013 and take four years to get his message and opinions out there, and I do mean FOUR years of everyday in your face newsworthy stories.

 

[Classic Liberal]

You got a point. I was researching each canidets stance on the 2nd since it looks like its going to be between Mitt and Obama. But im still going to vote for RP.

GOA has the best info on Romney's 2nd stance...

Gun Rights and Mitt Romney - Gun Owners Of America

 

[hornadylnl]

I'm sure Obama will give you special dispensation after you help re-elect him.

Please tell me how you are affecting Romney's policies when the only thing he has to do to earn your vote is to spell his last name differently than the currenty president?

 

[ATM]

The main objective is to get Obama out of office...

That may be your main objective, but it's short sighted and far too irresponsible for my tastes.

He plays no role in my objective.

 

[hornadylnl]

I actually KIND OF want Romney to win. That way I can note the conspicuous abscense in this forum who are here today demanding that I vote for Romney. Most of you will be nowhere in this forum to be found once your man Romney starts trampling our rights or is getting ready to sign terrible legislation. If you are around, I'm looking forward to all the pleas to write my congressmen to beg them to not vote yes on this or that.

You guys had your chance to vote for better candidates in the primaries and were more concerned about the candidates names than their charactor.

 

[Classic Liberal]

Nailed it ^^^

 

[J_Wales]

Most of you will be nowhere in this forum to be found once your man Romney starts trampling our rights or is getting ready to sign terrible legislation.

Maybe not.... there are a good many here that have no problem with the trampling of rights or the raping of Lady Liberty.

 

[churchmouse]

Not mathematically.

It worked for Clinton..... Mathematically.

 

[rambone]

A vote for the anti-establishment is a vote for the loser.

We can play these stupid semantics all day. When you'd like to discuss reality, we've saved a seat for you.

The reality as I see it is that the Establishment will push us towards fascism no matter which of these elites get to sit in the Oval Office. Republicans brought us gigantic new Federal agencies, checkpoints across America, the Patriot Act, expansive wars, and more. Our civil liberties take an absolute beating because of the Republicans' drive for Order and Security. I don't feel wistful when thinking about going back to total GOP control. Being a "winner" for a cause I don't agree with doesn't really appeal to me.

Tell me one thing Democrats have done in the past 4 years that the Libertarian party stands for.

Shrinking No Child Left Behind, multiple initiatives toward decriminalizing drugs, steps forward for marriage equality, etc. In my county, the local Democrats are more fiscally conservative (whereas the GOP pushes for building expensive passenger railroads), so I have supported them on a selective basis.

Amen, no Republican president is ever going to go after the 2nd amendment.

Demonstrably false.

Attacking your friends as if they were your enemies simply illustrates that you don't understand that.

Romney isn't a friend to my cause. He can pander, but he can't change his stripes.

If you vote for anyone other than Romney, you are effectively voting for a liberal supreme court. If and when that happens we will be lucky if we are able to post on this forum in another couple of years. Cheers to you.

There are tons of Republicans who are ready to regulate the internet all the same.

Have you heard of SOPA, PIPA, or CISPA?

Ok, see if you can follow along. You have the left. They all like thier guy. You have the right. They split their votes among two candidates. If both sides are about equal who will win? Come on, you can do it.

I'm on the North end of the political diamond. The Left and the Right both cringe at my values.

 

[Bapak2ja]

As long as fools continue to vote for Republicans and put socialist ruling class RINOs in office the Republicans have no incentive to change. They just have to be a bit less evil than the Demon-crats and they can say, "A vote for a third party is a vote for the Demon-crats!"

I will not do it again. I will vote for a candidate that will defend the Constitution if elected. Currently, it seems the only one who will do that is in the Constitution Party. If enough of us will stand on principle, instead of believing the lies of the two major parties, we can save this country. If we just vote for one of the two major parties, we will just continue the destruction of freedom, liberty and the USA.

If you always for for what you already have, you will always get what you already have. Vote for one of the major parties and you will just get more of what we have now.

Remember, Lincoln was the second man to run for President on the Republican ticket, and he won the White House because people of principle stood for their principles. If we want change, we must vote for a different party.

P.S. I do not say Lincoln was a good choice. I only say that a third party can win if people will stand for their principles.

 

[cqcn88]

Tell me one thing Democrats have done in the past 4 years that the Libertarian party stands for.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, I never made that claim.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I've come to the conclusion this arguement is analogous to the OC vs CC arguement. Both have legitimate points and the proponents of each side are intractable...especially the true believers.

And just for the record, I'll be voting for Romney in the general election. He's not my guy and I've read or heard about all his warts and defects, but at least he's not a commie and he's never eaten dog. How's that for a ringing endorsement? It may be his most redeeming quality

 

[cqcn88]

This is going to be a close race guys. I don't care if you like Romney. Vote against Obama, by voting for Romney if that makes you feel better, no problem. If you do not vote for Romney, then you are responsible for Obama being reelected, plain and simple.

Technically I am a Libertarian, but I'm not stupid enought to vote outside the two party system in a presidential election. Maybe in ten years a third party will have enough momentum to matter, but it isn't reality now.

Where is this momentum going to come from if nobody starts voting for a third party candidate in the general election?

 

[J_Wales]

Which candidate stands in defense of Lady Liberty?

 

[Cpt Caveman]

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.
Henry David Thoreau



Third party voters are beginning to hack at the right thing , they're just not to the roots yet. Not sure they'll get there soon enough to make any difference.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Where is this momentum going to come from if nobody starts voting for a third party candidate in the general election?

You'll know it when you see it. The vast majority of voters aren't there yet. I'm not sure where I read it, but if you're the only one out in the street calling for revolution, it's not time yet

My view is most wish to simply right the ship at this point. The progressives took 100 years to get us to this point, the public's perception isn't going to turn very quickly.

 

[Pocketman]

Let's face it, neither candidate is ideal and neither will likely change much. Congress is going to be divided, further hampering whoever is elected. The only way to put the current two parties on notice is let them see momentum behind alternatives. This "anybody but King George" attitude equates to kicking the can down the road.

 

[cqcn88]

You'll know it when you see it. The vast majority of voters aren't there yet. I'm not sure where I read it, but if you're the only one out in the street calling for revolution, it's not time yet

My view is most wish to simply right the ship at this point. The progressives took 100 years to get us to this point, the public's perception isn't going to turn very quickly.

But a winning majority is not going to simply pop up out of nowhere. It has to start somewhere. Observing the split in opinion in this thread alone indicates I'm not the "only one in the street".

 

[Steelman]

I'm learning to play the fiddle. I want to entertain when "Rome" burns to the ground.

Romney/Nero 2012