pop goes the glock

[Steady Glock]

What kind of ammo (brand)? Didn't see it anywhere in the story....

 

[Mr. Habib]

Will this cause a kaboom?

It can. Rechambering a round over and over can push the bullet back into the case, increasing the chamber pressure. With the Glocks this is made worse because Glock chambers leave a larger area of the case unsupported which increases the likelihood of a ruptured case causing a KB.

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[HICKMAN]

the "unsupported chamber" claim only goes so far.

Other guns with supported chambers KB too. Glocks tend to do it with reloads, which is why they only recommend factory ammo.

But everyone here already knows that and we're beating dead horse.

 

[Mr. Habib]

the "unsupported chamber" claim only goes so far.

True. But with the brass being the weak link, that can be a contributing factor, not a cause in itself. It will still take something else in conjunction to make it happen. Which, IMO, is why the .40 cal Glocks seem to have a higher % of KB's than other Glocks. You're already starting with a higher chamber pressure so it doesn't take as much to push it over the edge. While I don't personally like Glocks, for a number of reasons, I'm not trying to turn this into a Glock bashing thread. Under the right conditions, any manufacturers gun can KB.

 

[HICKMAN]

roger that, I carry a live grenade with me at all times, aka .40 Glock 27.

Gun in this case was a .45, wasn't it?

 

[Joe Williams]

the "unsupported chamber" claim only goes so far.

Other guns with supported chambers KB too. Glocks tend to do it with reloads, which is why they only recommend factory ammo.

But everyone here already knows that and we're beating dead horse.

Other guns DON'T blow up with reloads, unless the reloader screwed up. Not to mention, there is simply no validity to the claim that Glock's only blow up with reloads. They manage to do so just fine with factory ammo, also. It's happened to a board member here, ya know.

It is very rare to hear of a .45 ACP Glock blowing up, though, and an unsupported chamber wouldn't blow the barrel up. Something else happened in this case. Would love to know what.

 

[HICKMAN]

Other guns DON'T blow up with reloads, unless the reloader screwed up.

I saw an XD kaboom last night!! - XDTalk Forums - Your XD/XD(m) Information Source!




Maybe the State will take my kids because I endangered them, by letting them shoot my G27...


Story in the OP sounds almost like a squib.

 

[Carbon-13]

A [similar] scenario happened to my friend at the LaSalle Gun Range in NWI. He was bump firing a Mac 10 using reloaded (gun show) ammo. The brass blew in half, leaving the bullet still crimped in place. A little bit of brass shot out of the ejector slot and into my friend's hand.

Long story short: be weary of the reloaded ammo you buy at gun shows... annnd bump firing.

 

[Wabatuckian]

The design Glock uses is flawed.

Josh <><

 

[mettle]

The design Glock uses is flawed.

Josh <><

I've read it all now.... Did you study 'handgun' in high school so you could make this 'educated' decision? Please don't embarrass yourself anymore, I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[Wabatuckian]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Figured that would get a comment or two.

The problem I have with the Glock design is the usupported chamber design, and the fact that they sometimes will fire out of battery.

Glock never has fixes - they have "upgrades."

A Glock with a Lone Wolf barrel installed is a damned fine weapon. Just not for me.

The basic operating principle of the Glock is sound because... it's John Browning's modified tilting barrel system, simplified from the 1911's swinging link design so the P35 could be built without patent infringements.

So you see, once you take away the junk Gaston Glock put there, the design is sound.

(Yes, I'm baiting you. Bass bite on plastic; I reckon Glockers do too! :P)

Josh <><

 

[kingnereli]

The design Glock uses is flawed.

Josh <><

You're out of line. You're supposed to use fancy pressure charts and rogue ammunition theories to explain glock kabooms. Do not mention that this happens with factory ammo. Do not mention the design requires the brass to contain the chamber pressure. Do not mention that this doesn't happen with other guns. Fall in line!

 

[kingnereli]

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I've been looking for a comparison like this. It really shows the difference.

 

[HICKMAN]

Do not mention that this doesn't happen with other guns. Fall in line!

You are stating that other guns don't kaboom? Interesting...

 

[Roadie]

It can. Rechambering a round over and over can push the bullet back into the case, increasing the chamber pressure. With the Glocks this is made worse because Glock chambers leave a larger area of the case unsupported which increases the likelihood of a ruptured case causing a KB.
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Being the complete n00b that I am, can someone explain what I am looking at here?

Be gentle...lol

 

[Mr. Habib]

Look at the area where the feed ramp is. Notice how much more of the case just ahead of the extractor groove is visible on some, the Glock in particular, than others, the XD or HK for example. That portion of the case is not supported by the chamber when the round is fired, and must contain the pressure without help from the barrel. If the pressure is too high, or the brass is weak here the case will rupture and cause a KB. This is one reason that Glocks are more susceptible to spontaneous disassembly. The same thing can happen if the gun fires out of battery. Which happens to be something else that Glocks seem to be good at.

 

[Jar_Head]

From my training & experience in both military and police firearms training the likely cause was a "squib" round, don't know if I spelled that right. A round that is fired and did not make it out of the barrel, the second round is fired and the back blow and explosion in the barrel causes the gun to come apart. It's a round that is loaded with bad or incorrect powder. I saw one as a cop on the range, the other cop heard it and called a stop. Range officer had to take a rod and pound the round out was kind of in there like a cork but not as tight as you'd think. He said he knew because it didn't sound right when he pulled the trigger. In all cases it's the round not the gun. I read the article and sound's like the gun had been fired in the past.

 

[Roadie]

Look at the area where the feed ramp is. Notice how much more of the case just ahead of the extractor groove is visible on some, the Glock in particular, than others, the XD or HK for example. That portion of the case is not supported by the chamber when the round is fired, and must contain the pressure without help from the barrel. If the pressure is too high, or the brass is weak here the case will rupture and cause a KB. This is one reason that Glocks are more susceptible to spontaneous disassembly. The same thing can happen if the gun fires out of battery. Which happens to be something else that Glocks seem to be good at.

AHHH! I see.
Thank you for explaining that to me!

 

[kingnereli]

You are stating that other guns don't kaboom? Interesting...

You know I'm not being that general. Most guns don't have the features that aid in kabooms. Chamber design was the context of that quote.

 

[mettle]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Figured that would get a comment or two.

The problem I have with the Glock design is the usupported chamber design, and the fact that they sometimes will fire out of battery.

Glock never has fixes - they have "upgrades."

A Glock with a Lone Wolf barrel installed is a damned fine weapon. Just not for me.

The basic operating principle of the Glock is sound because... it's John Browning's modified tilting barrel system, simplified from the 1911's swinging link design so the P35 could be built without patent infringements.

So you see, once you take away the junk Gaston Glock put there, the design is sound.

(Yes, I'm baiting you. Bass bite on plastic; I reckon Glockers do too! :P)

Josh <><

I wasn't responding you your Glock bash, I was just responding to the umbrella statement that made you look... well... let's face it... stupid. Your statement would be like HICKMAN stating that the 1911 or B.A.R. was a poor design and was useless in battle. Out of line, unbased, and completely foolish.

I'm actually glad you were just baiting, and not serious. I actually believe you are normal again.