NRA Constitutional Carry Update

[Kirk Freeman]

Another W on the board, Georgia.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Looks like the Georgia CC bill will be heading to the governor’s desk.

YYYYYEEEESSSSS!!!! #25!! That makes 9 in the past two years IIRC. The Bulldogs should take a victory lap.

 

[shootersix]

He needs a proofreader… My God.

Two weak ago I can’t spell proofread now I are one!

That sign used to hang above our typesetters desk, but that was way back in the dark ages of printing (the late 80’s!)

 

[jwamplerusa]

If Florida can get it done in a special session, over half the States in the Union would recognize the Second Amendment as written in regards to handgun carry.

That is an improvement that is measurable.

 

[Bill of Rights]

If Florida can get it done in a special session, over half the States in the Union would recognize the Second Amendment as written in regards to handgun carry.

That is an improvement that is measurable.

Yes. The b***h of it is that it happened under a Leftist administration.

 

[chipbennett]

Oh man, the work emails are flying today. They're all about whether we can lengthen traffic stops while running a Triple I on anyone found carrying a handgun.

I can't wait to retire.

Why would I discuss a firearm during a traffic stop? (Granted, my primary strategy is to avoid traffic stops in the first place...)

I will always maintain my LTCH (it's lifetime, anyway), so you're going to know, regardless. But attitudes like those expressed by your colleagues will only lead people to be less-cooperative, so as not to incur unnecessary, further delay and difficulty during what should be a simple transaction. ("You were going too fast. Here's a piece of paper to sign. Have a good day.")

 

[chipbennett]

This.

I am, however, curious about the legality of running a triple I on someone just to see if they are a proper person simply because they are carrying a handgun.

What is a "Triple I"?

I'm (obviously) not LEO, and IANAL, but that sure sounds like something that runs afoul of Pinner. Mere possession of a gun, absent more, does not constitute probable cause of a crime being committed (or of the firearm being carried unlawfully).

 

[chipbennett]

If only more elected officials would follow this sheriff’s example…so we could more easily figure out who to not vote for.

I would be embarrassed to put my name on such a grammatically poorly written letter - much less, a letter expressing the views that this one so inarticulately espouses.

Do sheriffs in Alabama not have to pass the twelfth grade?

 

[chipbennett]

Or start today and just follow the speed limit. If you leave a few minutes early, you wont be late.
From what I see, the speed enforcement is only used sporadically when funds are short.
Another plus is you will drive the speeders nuts and get a good laugh as they angrily flip you the bird when they finally get to pass you.

One of the best, and unexpected, secondary benefit of going back into consulting 8 years ago and traveling regularly for work: I never get in a hurry, driving anywhere. While driving on the company's (ultimately, the client's) dime, I'm not speeding or otherwise driving recklessly. And when I'm home/with family, I'm not stressing myself out over driving. It's been glorious.

 

[chipbennett]

If Florida can get it done in a special session, over half the States in the Union would recognize the Second Amendment as written in regards to handgun carry.

That is an improvement that is measurable.

The only problem is that Florida is RINO-central, including the high-level RINOs at NRA (e.g. Marion Hammer). They may still have too many Senators like our own Brown and Bray, who keep killing CC legislation.

 

[chipbennett]

Yes. The b***h of it is that it happened under a Leftist administration.

That may be a feature rather than a bug. The blinders actually come off with respect to the precariousness of our rights under such administrations.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I would be embarrassed to put my name on such a grammatically poorly written letter - much less, a letter expressing the views that this one so inarticulately espouses.

Do sheriffs in Alabama not have to pass the twelfth grade?

Jeff Foxworthy: "If you refer to the 8th grade as "my senior year"....... you just might be a redneck."

 

[Bill of Rights]

That may be a feature rather than a bug. The blinders actually come off with respect to the precariousness of our rights under such administrations.

Wonder how long it will be before permitless carry is put in the Constitution in various states?

(something something "shall not be infringed."?)

 

[tbhausen]

What is a "Triple I"?

I'm (obviously) not LEO, and IANAL, but that sure sounds like something that runs afoul of Pinner. Mere possession of a gun, absent more, does not constitute probable cause of a crime being committed (or of the firearm being carried unlawfully).

I believe he’s referring to this:

Interstate Identification Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Why would I discuss a firearm during a traffic stop? (Granted, my primary strategy is to avoid traffic stops in the first place...)

I will always maintain my LTCH (it's lifetime, anyway), so you're going to know, regardless. But attitudes like those expressed by your colleagues will only lead people to be less-cooperative, so as not to incur unnecessary, further delay and difficulty during what should be a simple transaction. ("You were going too fast. Here's a piece of paper to sign. Have a good day.")

 

[Kirk Freeman]

What is a "Triple I"?

I'm (obviously) not LEO, and IANAL, but that sure sounds like something that runs afoul of Pinner. Mere possession of a gun, absent more, does not constitute probable cause of a crime being committed (or of the firearm being carried unlawfully).

Triple I was explained supra, but Pinner was about reasonable suspicion for a stop.

Triple I is important as it shows that cops have multiple avenues to find criminal histories despite the nonsense spouted by Flannelly and Carter. The Supreme Court's new database will be even more inclusive (protective orders, etc.).

 

[chipbennett]

Triple I was explained supra, but Pinner was about reasonable suspicion for a stop.

Triple I is important as it shows that cops have multiple avenues to find criminal histories despite the nonsense spouted by Flannelly and Carter. The Supreme Court's new database will be even more inclusive (protective orders, etc.).

I don't think I explained my thought as articulately as I could have. Being stopped for a traffic infraction is not evidence of criminal activity. Being stopped for the reasonable duration to handle the traffic infraction is lawful. I think extending the duration of the stop by procedurally/automatically running Triple I for any and all traffic stops would likely fall within the reasonable duration of the stop.

Extending the duration of that stop merely to use Triple I as a lawful-carry/proper-person "fishing expedition" after finding out that the driver is armed would therefore run afoul of Pinner, because there would be no evidence of unlawful activity/prohibited possessor based merely on the basis that a driver who committed a traffic infraction possesses a firearm.

 

[HoughMade]

I repeat....I am being repetitive.

How to Handle Traffic Stops While Carrying

Over the years I have read my name in more than several police reports. Paraphrasing: "Driver advised that he was carrying a handgun but his attorney, Kirk Freeman, told him that he did not need a license as it was black powder pistol. I immediately called my supervisor." Why does this...

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

GA’s governor to sign their CC bill next Tuesday.

Legislative Update: SB319 to be signed next week! - Georgia 2nd Amendment

WHO: Governor Kemp, First Lady Marty Kemp, and other state leaders WHEN: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:30 PM *please try to arrive by 3:00PM. WHERE: Gable’s Sporting Goods, 6250 […]

ga2a.org

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

CC is still alive in Nebraska.