Non citizen police officers

[Destro]

Communities get the police department they deserve. It takes years to hire and train a single police officer. These aren't Amazon warehouse jobs. There are cities around the country that are in dire straits regarding hiring, short thousands.

Indiana is not immune. When I started, IMPD, Carmel, etc, were goal agencies to get hired by. Those agencies were typically flush with applications to select the best and brightest. Rare were lateral hires from other departments (why bother when you could hire and train someone your way from the beginning), and usually you needed a connection.

ILEA keeps a list of hiring agencies on their website. There would be a handful of agencies listed previously. Just looked, over 50 today.

Starting salaries are in the $60k range currently for some (definitely not all) and departments cant fill those jobs. As a taxpayer, how high are you willing to go?

Money won't solve the problem though, I know numerous officers who have left larger departments for smaller, lower paying agencies because of working conditions. That was unheard of to me 10 years ago, save for a few unique situations.

Bravo to someone trying to come up with an outside the box solution. It is 100% a communities right to reject it, but they end up with the police department they deserve.

 

[Ziggidy]

It is 100% a communities right to reject it, but they end up with the police department they deserve.

I don’t agree. After the last few years I have witnessed a fair amount of government doing what they want regardless of what the community wants. Defunding police, Drag Queen Hour with the kiddies, porn in their library, same sex locker rooms, mandated pronoun education, transgender awareness crap……the list is long.

It’s not what the community wants but rather what we are forced fed. No different here with LEO’s; or any other agenda the left wants to push.

Dang, do you really think Biden won?
Do you really think Trump is being treated fairly?

DO you really deserve to be arrested for free speech?

 

[Route 45]

Starting salaries are in the $60k range currently for some (definitely not all) and departments cant fill those jobs. As a taxpayer, how high are you willing to go?

Have you bought groceries, shopped cars or looked at the housing market lately?

$60k is the new $40k.

 

[Sylvain]

Non-citizen police officers? Really? How do they take an oath to uphold the law and the Constitutions of the USA and Indiana when they are not even citizens of the USA? Seriously? I can't believe some idiots politicians think up this stuff.

To be fair (and as a non-US citizen myself) some foreigners understand the US constitution, and value your rights more than a naturally born US citizen.
Especially if they come from a country far less advanced in term of civil liberties.
Most of them acquired more, and new, rights when they moved to the US.
They understand some rights (freedom of speech, religion, freedom of the press etc) better than your average US citizen.

Non-citizens pretty much have the same rights as you do, they pay taxes just like you do.
The only difference (for the most part) is that they can't vote.
That could be viewed as a plus since it tends to make them more politically unbiased.
They can't vote for a politician so they won't pull you over because you have a Trump/Biden bumper sticker.

They can't hold a public officer either ... but I think some (or all?) police officers can't either, so it doesn't really matter.

Non-US citizens can serve in the US military and they take an oath to defend the constitution.
I don't see how them not being a US citizen can keep them from protecting your rights.

I don't see how not having a US citizenship can keep police officers from doing their job well.

Usually they also brings cultural and language skills to the community.

 

[miguel]

Same old late stage empire stuff. Mercenaries and imported immigrants. Police will shut up and obey better when the government holds the leash of their citizenship along with the leash of their pay, healthcare, and retirement.

Native born Americans won't do the job due to institutional deterioration and their own entitlement.

Maybe we should give North America back to the Indians and say, "Our bad, your turn..."

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Maybe we should give North America back to the Indians and say, "Our bad, your turn..."

Couldn't do any worse.

 

[miguel]

Couldn't do any worse.

They got half of Oklahoma still from what I understand.

 

[maxipum]

To be fair (and as a non-US citizen myself) some foreigners understand the US constitution, and value your rights more than a naturally born US citizen.
Especially if they come from a country far less advanced in term of civil liberties.
Most of them acquired more, and new, rights when they moved to the US.
They understand some rights (freedom of speech, religion, freedom of the press etc) better than your average US citizen.

Non-citizens pretty much have the same rights as you do, they pay taxes just like you do.
The only difference (for the most part) is that they can't vote.
That could be viewed as a plus since it tends to make them more politically unbiased.
They can't vote for a politician so they won't pull you over because you have a Trump/Biden bumper sticker.

They can't hold a public officer either ... but I think some (or all?) police officers can't either, so it doesn't really matter.

Non-US citizens can serve in the US military and they take an oath to defend the constitution.
I don't see how them not being a US citizen can keep them from protecting your rights.

I don't see how not having a US citizenship can keep police officers from doing their job well.

Usually they also brings cultural and language skills to the community.

Don’t take this personally but would you be willing to arm and give authority over you and your country to the large Syrian and middle eastern refugees that are currently flooding Europe and doing so much damage to communities? Rape, Robbery, smuggling and general asshatery. Not assimilating into your culture but trying to bring in their own?

 

[Creedmoor]

To be fair (and as a non-US citizen myself) some foreigners understand the US constitution, and value your rights more than a naturally born US citizen.
Especially if they come from a country far less advanced in term of civil liberties.
Most of them acquired more, and new, rights when they moved to the US.
They understand some rights (freedom of speech, religion, freedom of the press etc) better than your average US citizen.

Non-citizens pretty much have the same rights as you do, they pay taxes just like you do.
The only difference (for the most part) is that they can't vote.
That could be viewed as a plus since it tends to make them more politically unbiased.
They can't vote for a politician so they won't pull you over because you have a Trump/Biden bumper sticker.

They can't hold a public officer either ... but I think some (or all?) police officers can't either, so it doesn't really matter.

Non-US citizens can serve in the US military and they take an oath to defend the constitution.
I don't see how them not being a US citizen can keep them from protecting your rights.

I don't see how not having a US citizenship can keep police officers from doing their job well.

Usually they also brings cultural and language skills to the community.

For starters,
Where did you learn your views of what American citizens knowledge is of our Constitution and Bill of Rights?
And what would make you believe that the illegals pay the taxes they are supposed to pay?

 

[Denny347]

For starters,
Where did you learn your views of what American citizens knowledge is of our Constitution and Bill of Rights?
And what would make you believe that the illegals pay the taxes they are supposed to pay?

Please don't conflate "non-citizen" to "illegal". I don't think anyone here is advocating an illegal to hold a LE job.

 

[Creedmoor]

Please don't conflate "non-citizen" to "illegal". I don't think anyone here is advocating an illegal to hold a LE job.

NO, I wasn't thinking that at all.

 

[Tombs]

To be fair (and as a non-US citizen myself) some foreigners understand the US constitution, and value your rights more than a naturally born US citizen.
Especially if they come from a country far less advanced in term of civil liberties.
Most of them acquired more, and new, rights when they moved to the US.
They understand some rights (freedom of speech, religion, freedom of the press etc) better than your average US citizen.

Non-citizens pretty much have the same rights as you do, they pay taxes just like you do.
The only difference (for the most part) is that they can't vote.
That could be viewed as a plus since it tends to make them more politically unbiased.
They can't vote for a politician so they won't pull you over because you have a Trump/Biden bumper sticker.

They can't hold a public officer either ... but I think some (or all?) police officers can't either, so it doesn't really matter.

Non-US citizens can serve in the US military and they take an oath to defend the constitution.
I don't see how them not being a US citizen can keep them from protecting your rights.

I don't see how not having a US citizenship can keep police officers from doing their job well.

Usually they also brings cultural and language skills to the community.

You're looking at this in an unreasonably optimistic, perfect world kind of way.

The ugly reality is that you will end up with foreign mercenaries that will have less qualms about violating citizen's rights, especially if the pay and benefits are right. It's also a gesture of humiliation to the general populous.

What could politicians possibly want more than unquestioning unassimilated foot soldiers to enforce their wack job policies?

 

[HonkieKowboy]

Green card holders/resident aliens can possess firearms, seems like where the bar should be.

May a nonimmigrant alien who has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa possess a firearm or ammunition in the United States? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted...

www.atf.gov

Non resident aliens (internatonal students, H1B, etc) legally in US borders can posess a firearm granted they have a valid hunting license.

 

[phylodog]

Please don't conflate "non-citizen" to "illegal". I don't think anyone here is advocating an illegal to hold a LE job.

But everyone here knows that this moves us closer to that goal and everyone also knows that this isn't about providing quality law enforcement to a deserving community nor is it about getting non citizens good jobs. This is nothing more than a continuation of the undermining of law to which the left has been committed for decades.

 

[KLB]

For starters,
Where did you learn your views of what American citizens knowledge is of our Constitution and Bill of Rights?
And what would make you believe that the illegals pay the taxes they are supposed to pay?

Is he wrong?

I highly doubt most people born here could pass the citizenship test.

Illegals aren't what is generally being covered by these states, except for those covered by DACA

 

[Creedmoor]

Is he wrong?

I highly doubt most people born here could pass the citizenship test.

Illegals aren't what is generally being covered by these states, except for those covered by DACA

What generations are we speaking about?
All?

 

[KLB]

What generations are we speaking about?
All?

Yes. People can't even name the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President Pro Tempore of Senate.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if most couldn't tell you what the BoR is, or how many Amendments are included. Hell, a lot couldn't name the three branches of the government.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Yes. People can't even name the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President Pro Tempore of Senate.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if most couldn't tell you what the BoR is, or how many Amendments are included. Hell, a lot couldn't name the three branches of the government.

OK, I had to look up the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (US, Indiana is Rod Bray.) Flippin Patty Murray? She's the leftist who bragged about all the great things the taliban did in the 'Stan right after 9/11.

 

[Creedmoor]

Yes. People can't even name the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President Pro Tempore of Senate.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if most couldn't tell you what the BoR is, or how many Amendments are included. Hell, a lot couldn't name the three branches of the government.

For the most part I agree with you, and I also believe it has to do with socio-economics.
Parents that are involved with there kids education have better educated and more well rounded children.

Now, I myself use the three branches with people what that want to talk politics with me.
I say before we start this conversation, what are the three branches of the federal government?

If I get the blank stare, we don't continue with the conversation.
I will say those that can't answer that simple question, all have parents that failed at being parents.

 

[printcraft]

I’ll just leave this here…

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