New York State rifle SCOTUS case granted certiorari

[MCgrease08]

What I find most interesting about the dissent is the lack of actual legal justification for their dissent. It reads like "Guns are bad and dangerous. We should let Gov regulate them. Oh, and the majority didn't take enough time/effort to understand those two points." There's very little actual reference to any precedent that could justify a contrary ruling.

You don't see justification for the dissent because there really is none. It's pretty cut and dry that requiring permission to exercise a constitutionally protected right is wrong.

But did you expect anything less from the liberal justices? They were appointed to rule based on political positions of the left, not on the actual law. They do their job extrodinarily well, the actual law be damned.

 

[JEBland]

And this absolutely demonstrates why voting in constitutionalists in the next two elections is so critical. We need another round of constitutionalist judges and Justices to replace the elderly constitutionalists on the court and hopefully replace one more of the "progressive" justices.

I agree. It wouldn't be so bad if the left-leaning side didn't openly say that the constitution needs to be thrown away and rewritten.

 

[rooster]

Setting up challenges to laws that have a long list of places you can’t carry. Hell they practically asked for a case right before this.

“New York’s proper-cause requirement as a “sensitive-place” law. In their view, “sen- sitive places” where the government may lawfully disarm law-abiding citizens include all “places where people typi- cally congregate and where law-enforcement and other public-safety professionals are presumptively available.” Brief for Respondents 34. It is true that people sometimes congregate in “sensitive places,” and it is likewise true that law enforcement professionals are usually presumptively available in those locations. But expanding the category of “sensitive places” simply to all places of public congregation that are not isolated from law enforcement defines the cat- egory of “sensitive places” far too broadly”

 

[ghuns]

This is...

 

[JAL]

Oh Lord! Does this numb nuts have a brain lol. Does she not she what's happening in NYC. Her stupidity even thinks NYC is safer then any Rural part of our Country... These people live in a bubble full of fantasy and make believe lol

Those were my thoughts as well. Obviously not riding the subway in NYC or wandering around Times Square. I lived in Southern California for a decade before moving here to a city surrounded by corn and soybean crops. The difference in crime rate is substantial. After 27 years here now, I haven't been a crime victim yet - not even petty crime. Lived in one of the most crime free areas in California and suffered numerous significant property crimes as did my neighbors. There you couldn't leave your garage door open while mowing your lawn. A pickup would scream to a halt, several hoodlums would jump out, grab what they could quickly that looked valuable, and screech off with one of the thugs covering the license plate with his hand. Armed robbery of retail businesses and banks was routine fare. Yup, they live in their own delusional lala land.

On the SCOTUS decision . . . it will ultimately force states like California and NY to become a "must issue" based on clear, objective standards. That said, I predict a ping-pong of successive Draconian and convoluted serpentine laws that will have to get struck down by lower courts similar to what went on in Chicago for a (IIRC) about a year after the McDonald decision. They'll have to exhaust all manner of inventive means to do an end-around on the decision until an Appellate Court clearly tells them to cease and desist trying.

John

 

[Cameramonkey]

What I find most interesting about the dissent is the lack of actual legal justification for their dissent. It reads like "Guns are bad and dangerous. We should let Gov regulate them. Oh, and the majority didn't take enough time/effort to understand those two points." There's very little actual reference to any precedent that could justify a contrary ruling.

You expect something different from the feelz crowd?

 

[ghuns]

After the Roe decision drops, Dems will be back on the court packing bandwagon in no time flat.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The 2A IS the interest balancing. It's already happened. Interests were balanced in the Constitution by the writing of the 2A and are not to be balanced again. "Elevates above all other interests" seems to basically state that scrutiny isn't just strict, it's not allowed.

Well said.

 

[rosejm]

But did you expect anything less from the liberal justices?

You expect something else from the feelz crowd?

I did expect a little more from our High Justices. Even if it was convoluted twisting and re-interpretation of precedent.
I mean even RBG turned out opinions with some rational citations in support.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

A quick scroll seems to indicate Breyer’s dissent is 50+ pages of that opinion document.

 

[KG1]

 

[Expat]

I would like to announce my full support for this decision.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Part of Kavanaugh’s concurrence

 

[rooster]

From justice Alito
“Like that dissent in Heller, the real thrust of today’s dis- sent is that guns are bad and that States and local jurisdic- tions should be free to restrict them essentially as they see fit.3 That argument was rejected in Heller, and while the dissent protests that it is not rearguing Heller, it proceeds to do just that. See post, at 25–28”

 

[KG1]

Another huge point in the language of this decision is it finally extends the right to keep and bear arms in public outside of the home.

 

[jamil]

So it effectively makes all states "shall issue" in theory. In practice, the red tape will be so onerous that no one will be issued a permit/license unless they're special.

 

[bwframe]

 

[rooster]

Skimming through the dissent it clearly is written from emotions and fear rather than using the law or precedent.

It’s embarrassing to read a Supreme Court justices writing that contains little to no support or citation.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

So it effectively makes all states "shall issue" in theory. In practice, the red tape will be so onerous that no one will be issued a permit/license unless they're special.

Seems like it. When I read only the last paragraph of the main opinion it seems more sweeping than Alito’s and Kavanaugh’s concurrences.

 

[MCgrease08]

Part of Kavanaugh’s concurrence

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You wouldn't know this by reading or listening to the lib media. They're already out there saying this strikes down licensing requirements.