Multiple People Shot, Undetonated Devices Found in Brooklyn Subway: FDNY, Sources

[manifest destiny]

The idea that .gov isn't actively piecing together a database of guns, purchases and buyers is silly.

 

[BigRed]

DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat

The documents are slightly different drafts of the same annual threat assessment, which is not yet published.

www.politico.com

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It's white supremacists that have been killing all those people in ****cago every weekend.
It's white supremacists that have been trafficking illegal aliens into the country.

Do you not keep up?

 

[Keith_Indy]

It's white supremacists that have been killing all those people in ****cago every weekend.
It's white supremacists that have been trafficking illegal aliens into the country.

Do you not keep up?

White supremacists no matter their skin color...

If they're not white, then it's a reaction to white supremacists...

 

[BigRed]

The idea that .gov isn't actively piecing together a database of guns, purchases and buyers is silly.

Only a fool would believe otherwise.

fbi says they are not.

fbi has a LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG history of lies and corruption. Their credibility is at absolute -0- in my book.

 

[BigRed]

@Big Red is looking more and more like the guy who is right. Something about the central State.

If we are to have any pretense of not being serfs, something needs to change, radically.

Secession is LONG overdue.

Let the central state be dissolved.

 

[jwamplerusa]

Sure, there is certainly a chance there is no registry. You cannot say there is NO chance. I have not seen them, but trusted friends have, the many shipping containers packed full of paper records from out of business dealers. They do not have enough employees to search the records to track guns used in crimes. Entering the paper info into a searchable database would take a massive amount of personnel, which they do not have. Digitizing a paper record is not the same as extracting the info from a 4473 and entering it into a searchable database.

Serious question.

How often is a firearms trace meaningfully useful in either solving a crime or obtaining a conviction?

I just don't see the utility, other than as a goal to enable something which should never exist, in a society with an expectation the citizenry can resist tyranny.

 

[TrueSeanamus]

Maybe you didn't catch this detail, he's not from New York.

Ah, I did miss that. No matter what he broke dozens of laws doing what he did, both state and federal. And in the era of 3D printing gun laws are entirely pointless. People can make whatever they want at this point.

 

[tbhausen]

It's white supremacists that have been killing all those people in ****cago every weekend.
It's white supremacists that have been trafficking illegal aliens into the country.

Do you not keep up?

Wrong—it’s “white supremists”.

 

[manifest destiny]

Serious question.

How often is a firearms trace meaningfully useful in either solving a crime or obtaining a conviction?

I just don't see the utility, other than as a goal to enable something which should never exist, in a society with an expectation the citizenry can resist tyranny.

I have the same kind of question. The only other scenario I could think of would be that the gun was a straw purchase or otherwise stolen and transferred from one improper person to another improper person. In which case there's the possibility another person could also be charged for crimes. Still, tracing is so after the fact that the utility of it seems to lack worth.

 

[bwframe]

Gun tracing is mostly useful when trying to blame the crime on the gun, rather than the perp.

 

[bwframe]

Look NYC is getting tough on crime!

Alleged NYC subway shooter Frank R. James held without bail after court appearance

Suspected Brooklyn subway shooter Frank R. James will remain in federal custody after briefly appearing in federal court Thursday.

abc7ny.com

Wonder if we couldn't get a local news crew to ask Ryan Mears for comment on the NY shooter's rap sheet?


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[Tombs]

Two totally different issues. When we try to track the origin of a firearm, we have to start with the manufacturer, who it was shipped to. Then who they sold it to, etc. If the dealer is out of business, then the ATF will hand search the paper records stored in shipping containers. There is no registry, or if there is, not one the the ATF agents we work with can access. "Ghost guns", well, they cannot be tracked the same way.

So it's registered but we just don't call it a registry.

Word games are obnoxious. Especially when it's functionally the same situation.

Government contracted agents can find out who owns a gun, and what that gun is. And they lose their mind over the prospect of losing that ability with the popularity of personal firearms manufacturing.

 

[bwframe]

Police: New York Subway Shooter Stopped in Fort Wayne

FORT WAYNE, Ind.–The man police say was responsible for the shooting in a Brooklyn subway on Tuesday morning appears to have stayed in Fort Wayne. Police say Frank James, 62, posted a video claiming to be “sitting here in Fort Wayne, Indiana” near a Kroger store. James was driving from Wisconsin...

www.wibc.com

 

[Denny347]

So it's registered but we just don't call it a registry.

Word games are obnoxious. Especially when it's functionally the same situation.

Government contracted agents can find out who owns a gun, and what that gun is. And they lose their mind over the prospect of losing that ability with the popularity of personal firearms manufacturing.

They can find out who OWNED the gun, maybe. An actual registration would track a firearm as it passed to each owner and would be accessable by the user to type in a serial # and viola, the entire owner history. Much like a vehicle registration or a VIN history. Word "games" are obnoxious but using precise language is important. Some see the precise use of words as games and it is not. When I review a use of force, EVERY word I use is important and has a specific reason why I used it. Those who second guess that review claim I play "word games".

 

[manifest destiny]

They can find out who OWNED the gun, maybe. An actual registration would track a firearm as it passed to each owner and would be accessable by the user to type in a serial # and viola, the entire owner history. Much like a vehicle registration or a VIN history. Word "games" are obnoxious but using precise language is important. Some see the precise use of words as games and it is not. When I review a use of force, EVERY word I use is important and has a specific reason why I used it. Those who second guess that review claim I play "word games".

What is typically the reason for law enforcement to trace a gun (after crime already committed)? What might they be looking for generally? Are all guns involved in a crime traced per SOP, or is the decision to trace done case by case?

 

[spencer rifle]

White supremacists no matter their skin color...

If they're not white, then it's a reaction to white supremacists...

“Everything in life is much easier when the answer to every question and every problem is the pure evil of your political opponents. It’s a fairly simple formula: When there is right-wing violence, it is the fault of Republicans for inspiring it. When there is left-wing violence, it is the fault of Republicans for provoking it.” – Jim Greaghty, 2020

 

[TrueSeanamus]

They can find out who OWNED the gun, maybe. An actual registration would track a firearm as it passed to each owner and would be accessable by the user to type in a serial # and viola, the entire owner history. Much like a vehicle registration or a VIN history. Word "games" are obnoxious but using precise language is important. Some see the precise use of words as games and it is not. When I review a use of force, EVERY word I use is important and has a specific reason why I used it. Those who second guess that review claim I play "word games".

And the feds and states are constantly doing whatever they can to “close the gun show loophole” and have “universal background checks” so they can do just as you say. Track every gun to every owner for all time.

They are building a registry.

 

[Denny347]

What is typically the reason for law enforcement to trace a gun (after crime already committed)? What might they be looking for generally? Are all guns involved in a crime traced per SOP, or is the decision to trace done case by case?

The owner? Soooooo many guns are stolen but are not reported for various reasons. If your gun gets stolen and you don't realize it and we find it, it will come back as "negative" on a wanted check. We seize it as evidence or whatever and then later you figure out it is stolen (maybe another state). You will likely never know it was already recovered prior to you realizing it was gone. Guns are stored in closets, dresser drawers, garages, storage units, vehicles, etc that can go months without the owner checking on them.
Also, straw purchasers. They will not be reported as stolen as they were bought "legally" and they are trying to track the person who was buying them strictly to resell to prohibited persons. If the gun shop is out of business it is difficult to track who the shop sold them to.

 

[BigRed]

They are building a registry.

And can burn in Hell.

 

[TrueSeanamus]

The owner? Soooooo many guns are stolen but are not reported for various reasons. If your gun gets stolen and you don't realize it and we find it, it will come back as "negative" on a wanted check. We seize it as evidence or whatever and then later you figure out it is stolen (maybe another state). You will likely never know it was already recovered prior to you realizing it was gone. Guns are stored in closets, dresser drawers, garages, storage units, vehicles, etc that can go months without the owner checking on them.
Also, straw purchasers. They will not be reported as stolen as they were bought "legally" and they are trying to track the person who was buying them strictly to resell to prohibited persons. If the gun shop is out of business it is difficult to track who the shop sold them to.

I’ll keep the option of no registry over the microscopic chance of the feds building a registry and then not using it for reasons abusive to the 2a.