Message To Fellow Police Officers

[Denny347]

Posting on social media, IN UNIFORM, sigh. If they do not have permission from brass (and they have a social media policy) they could easily get suspended or fired for it. If that happens, everyone will be up in arms. I certainly don't feel bad if they are disciplined for social media posts IN UNIFORM. It's kind of a no-brainer these days. They are not heroes, they are attention whores. Everyone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame. The message they deliver doesn't change that fact.

 

[JettaKnight]

Posting on social media, IN UNIFORM, sigh. If they do not have permission from brass (and they have a social media policy) they could easily get suspended or fired for it. If that happens, everyone will be up in arms. I certainly don't feel bad if they are disciplined for social media posts IN UNIFORM. It's kind of a no-brainer these days. They are not heroes, they are attention whores. Everyone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame. The message they deliver doesn't change that fact.

Come'on, ya know you want to... I'll start a GoBegMe for you and chip in $20 if you get fired.

 

[Route 45]

Funny how the torch of virtue signalling and #Resist is passed back and forth across the aisle.

 

[Trigger Time]

[video=youtube;w5hHKR9yXVk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hHKR9yXVk[/video]

I'm glad these guys are being vocal. The more dirty elected officials that know the police departments wont enforce their illegal orders the better. They think they have their own private army and in some cities they do because the cops are ****ing corrupt as the politicians. Or they just go along to get along. The nazis and soldiers in the German army did that too. It takes people to stand together and say no to fight oppression and tyranny. Might they be fired? Yes. Might they be jailed? Yes. Might their families be targeted? Yes. Might they die? Yes. You stand for what you believe in no matter the cost. Well some people do. 3% is what did it once before. That's all it took.

I'm seeing great Americans across this country stand up and say enough is enough. They are standing together against this oppression and opening businesses and refusing to wear masks and going out in public together. They connot stop all of us if we stand together as one.
WE THE PEOPLE grant the govt its authority over us. If they get too big for their britches it is our DUTY to say STOP! NO! You've gone too far, fix it or you will be out, and in the meantime we will not obey or comply. This is our birthright right as FREE MEN AND WOMEN, as AMERICANS.
seems like many have been neutered, or raised, or schooled (by public education) to forget this and what this republic means and is founded on. The government derives its power and authority from the PEOPLE and it is clearly laid out and regulated in the constitution. Basic rights and freedoms are not up for discussion or up to be amended, period.

If you want to stay in your home until the rest of the year and a vaccine Is produced and distributed then do it. But no one, not a man, not a government, has the right or authority to force us to stay home and not meet, protest, congregate, worship, conduct commerce.
I see the tyrants taking business licenses or threatening to. So what?!
You can wipe your ass with that piece of paper if you all stand together as one.
Government wants to take that license away, conduct business anyways. Don't give them any tax money from it. See how fast dirty politicians cave in if we all stand together. And if they dont, then shut THEM down. Vote them out, recall them, ignore their orders. Make them powerless over us.
The police (like in Colorado recently), good police, will not enforce unconstitutional orders. If the bad and corrupt police do try, they do not have the manpower to stop the people if they stand together. Period.

Stop being cucks and stand up and be Americans. If you want to be a subject or a slave to a master then move to Canada and bow to a queen.

The government and their corrupt agents are making lists and noting who was "uncooperative", remember that? From Wisconsin, and the power tripping deputies.
Well, we the people are making a list too. Of which politicians are tyrants and which citizens are reporting and turning in their fellow Americans. We will remember what side everyone was on during all of this and who was Tories or loyalists and who stood on the side of the republic.
If I owned a business and you turned me in or you were one of those tyrant cops or politicians then you would never be welcome again.
Same with personal lives. You will never be in my circle again. We need to shun anyone who supports tyranny and unemploy them if they are in positions of authority or elected.

 

[actaeon277]

I understand the "don't spout political stuff while in uniform", it was the same in the military.

But..
Also in the military, we used to get lectured on UCMJ, laws, and stuff all the time.
One of the things beaten into us was...
"I did what I was ordered" is NO defense when it's an unconstitutional (or illegal) order.
We were specifically told NOT to obey those, but then cautioned we should be DAMN sure that it's really unconstitutional (or illegal).
This lecturing was done, by people in uniform.


Seemed that anyone saying, obey illegal (or unconstitutional) orders would be the ones escorted out.

 

[Trigger Time]

I understand the "don't spout political stuff while in uniform", it was the same in the military.

But..
Also in the military, we used to get lectured on UCMJ, laws, and stuff all the time.
One of the things beaten into us was...
"I did what I was ordered" is NO defense when it's an unconstitutional (or illegal) order.
We were specifically told NOT to obey those, but then cautioned we should be DAMN sure that it's really unconstitutional (or illegal).
This lecturing was done, by people in uniform.


Seemed that anyone saying, obey illegal (or unconstitutional) orders would be the ones escorted out.

AMEN!
I just dont get the problem with an officer in uniform basically just repeating the law. Elected officials are not above the law. If they try to order the police to do something unconstitutional then the police should arrest them. The police should be totally separate from politicians. Just like local cops in my opinion should be totally separate from federal law enforcement. They should not work together nor should court officers or officials be in cahoots with the feds.
But money talks it seems.

 

[Gabriel]

Posting on social media, IN UNIFORM, sigh. If they do not have permission from brass (and they have a social media policy) they could easily get suspended or fired for it. If that happens, everyone will be up in arms. I certainly don't feel bad if they are disciplined for social media posts IN UNIFORM. It's kind of a no-brainer these days. They are not heroes, they are attention whores. Everyone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame. The message they deliver doesn't change that fact.

Exactly.

 

[Sigblitz]

The laws pertaining to a public emergency are written in the Indiana codes. They are put in place by the people we elect. Should it be legally challenged? Will it lead to the constitution being amended in an unfavorable way? I'm not saying toe the line. I'm saying at this point it is the law in the state we live in. The police are charged to enforce the codes. Openly stating that they won't will have repercussions. Is public health important? Yes. Is freedom important? Yes. Are they at odds with each other? Yes. For some reason I'm reminded of not being allowed to drive during a snow emergency.

 

[Trigger Time]

The laws pertaining to a public emergency are written in the Indiana codes. They are put in place by the people we elect. Should it be legally challenged? Will it lead to the constitution being amended in an unfavorable way? I'm not saying toe the line. I'm saying at this point it is the law in the state we live in. The police are charged to enforce the codes. Openly stating that they won't will have repercussions. Is public health important? Yes. Is freedom important? Yes. Are they at odds with each other? Yes. For some reason I'm reminded of not being allowed to drive during a snow emergency.

Yes these emergency powers need challenged in court. Also I'll bet my last dollar that after this next session the state legislature will pass a law to allow them to call themselves back into session during one of these so called emergencies that the governor declares.
As of now the elected representatives are powerless to stop the out of control governor.
If they could have got back into session I'll bet you they would have reined him in.
This will never happen again in Indiana.
Matter of fact, I'll wager that there will be a lot of new clarity on reining in out of control governors in many states.
I truly hope the good thing to come from this Is smaller and more limited government.
Many governors orders are being challenged in court and stopped. Others have seen this and modified their orders or held back on issuing some.

In this state businesses need to do as they wish. People need to support them. Show up and spend your dollars.

 

[abnk]

Posting on social media, IN UNIFORM, sigh. If they do not have permission from brass (and they have a social media policy) they could easily get suspended or fired for it. If that happens, everyone will be up in arms. I certainly don't feel bad if they are disciplined for social media posts IN UNIFORM. It's kind of a no-brainer these days. They are not heroes, they are attention whores. Everyone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame. The message they deliver doesn't change that fact.

There are many examples of police officers posting in social media in uniform. We even had the ISP gentlemen sign a song in uniform for social media. No admininstrators seemed to care about that. But this gentleman (Ranger Anderson) says something in support of the constitution and you think he's an "attention whore" who deserves what he's getting? I am understanding you correctly?

 

[Trigger Time]

There are many examples of police officers posting in social media in uniform. We even had the ISP gentlemen sign a song in uniform for social media. No admininstrators seemed to care about that. But this gentleman (Ranger Anderson) says something in support of the constitution and you think he's an "attention whore" who deserves what he's getting? I am understanding you correctly?

Right. I really have an issue with people bashing this guy. He isnt wrong in his message. Also he didnt start the go fund me.

I like this guy much more than some officer in uniform being a mayors puppet or B**** on TV. Aka Public information officers and police chiefs

 

[JettaKnight]

So my question is for these vocal officers, how much of your time is spent arresting people for not wearing masks? Or running in the park, or ...


My guess is these guys had maybe a call or two about the SIP, if that. More likely, they're seeing the tyranny on as portrayed on YouTube and other media outlets.


Here's some cops executing tyranny... they gave the store owner a citation; not even one curbstomp. Some real world policing, not in-car lecturing.
[video=youtube_share;fllSTf42lro]http://youtu.be/fllSTf42lro[/video]

 

[BehindBlueI's]

There are many examples of police officers posting in social media in uniform. We even had the ISP gentlemen sign a song in uniform for social media. No admininstrators seemed to care about that. But this gentleman (Ranger Anderson) says something in support of the constitution and you think he's an "attention whore" who deserves what he's getting? I am understanding you correctly?

At least on my department, they got permission from the chief to do the song challenge thing, did not convey a political or controversial message that would be divisive among the public, did not engage in political activity, etc. In short, they did not violate the social media policy. If it's attention whoring or not, well, I'll leave that question alone but I bet folks can make a reasonable guess as to my position. I will say I wouldn't participate.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I understand the "don't spout political stuff while in uniform", it was the same in the military.

But..
Also in the military, we used to get lectured on UCMJ, laws, and stuff all the time.
...
This lecturing was done, by people in uniform.

To other people in uniform. Not to a global audience. Not even close to the same thing.

 

[HoughMade]

There are many examples of police officers posting in social media in uniform. We even had the ISP gentlemen sign a song in uniform for social media. No admininstrators seemed to care about that. But this gentleman (Ranger Anderson) says something in support of the constitution and you think he's an "attention whore" who deserves what he's getting? I am understanding you correctly?

Well before social media, when I ran a used car dealership, a local TV station sent a crew out to interview me about how the banning of R-12 refrigerant was affecting the used car industry (that's how long ago). After they interviewed me, they asked if they could interview a guy who happened to be there looking at a truck. He said "no" and went into my office to wait until they left.

After they left, he came out and said that he really didn't care, but he was a Grand Rapids police officer (not in uniform) and if he was caught talking on TV, he would have to buy lunch for his entire shift. That's the deal they had- stay off camera. Not a bad idea, especially from my perspective in my current profession.

 

[Route 45]

How does one survive both used car salesman jokes AND lawyer jokes?

 

[JettaKnight]

How does one survive both used car salesman jokes AND lawyer jokes?

And the Baptist ones!

 

[abnk]

At least on my department, they got permission from the chief to do the song challenge thing, did not convey a political or controversial message that would be divisive among the public, did not engage in political activity, etc. In short, they did not violate the social media policy. If it's attention whoring or not, well, I'll leave that question alone but I bet folks can make a reasonable guess as to my position. I will say I wouldn't participate.

Thanks. So, main points:

1) Was it political? In Anderson's case, it was not political. I watched the video twice. Keep in mind that restrictions of political activity for publics servants in the US comes from the Hatch Act of 1939. 'For purposes of the Hatch Act, political activity is defined as "an activity directed toward the success or failure of a political party, candidate for partisan political office or partisan political group".' I don't see how his video meets this definition. Granted, this is for federal public servants and local definitions could vary. It is the best encompassing definition we could get countrywide though.

2) Was it controversial? This is more difficult to pinpoint since it carries a higher degree of subjectivity, but I hope we would agree that a message in support of the constitution and of the oath he took is not a controversial topic. There was some irritation in his tone, but I don't see that necessarily making his message controversial.

3) Did it violate social media policy? I can't quite tell because I have not seen the department's policy. However, policy typically allows for discretion. In this case, his superiors liked the video. They came later and asked him to remove it. If the department policy prohibits speech that supports the constitution while allowing other speech, then I'd argue that the policy is crap. I understand that most departments have social media policies, but the existence of policies that prove that the policies are just or correct.

 

[HoughMade]

How does one survive both used car salesman jokes AND lawyer jokes?

And the Baptist ones!

The key is having, perhaps, too "healthy" an opinion of oneself, and this:

[video=youtube;N-t2PDrqPCc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-t2PDrqPCc[/video]

 

[abnk]

Well before social media, when I ran a used car dealership, a local TV station sent a crew out to interview me about how the banning of R-12 refrigerant was affecting the used car industry (that's how long ago). After they interviewed me, they asked if they could interview a guy who happened to be there looking at a truck. He said "no" and went into my office to wait until they left.

After they left, he came out and said that he really didn't care, but he was a Grand Rapids police officer (not in uniform) and if he was caught talking on TV, he would have to buy lunch for his entire shift. That's the deal they had- stay off camera. Not a bad idea, especially from my perspective in my current profession.

Generally speaking, I don't disagree that media speeches in uniform are to be avoided as a matter of prudence. However, considering all of the factors and circumstances in the Anderson case, I disagree with the statement and sentiment that he's an "attention whore" who deserves to get fired.