Indiana House revives drug testing plan for welfare clients

[bradmedic04]

I wish they would just focus on scaling it back, if not eliminating it.

Of course, this way they get to pander without actually reducing the government or spending. Win-win for them.

Agreed on both points. I don't care to give up sizeable portions of my salary to stuff like this (don't even get me started on social security). That money in my 401(k) would do so much more than what happens now.

Side note, fun to be on the same side of something, Steve. You wanna get together and go a'rioting? I'm told this is a catch-all method of solving problems.

 

[JT1968]

Didn't Utah enact something along these lines? I remember reading that the savings in the first year was approx $350,000. It seems the people against such legislation only count the test results that come back positive, and not all those who refuse to take the drug test.

 

[HoughMade]

How about this crazy idea- we only give welfare as a last ditch subsistence for those without other viable options and stop this other nonsense.

 

[AtTheMurph]

How about this crazy idea- we only give welfare as a last ditch subsistence for those without other viable options and stop this other nonsense.

Or how about this far more crazy idea - we allow charity to be done by people with a charitable intent rather than having government assume the power to be a charity when no such power was ever granted to them.

 

[HoughMade]

Or how about this far more crazy idea - we allow charity to be done by people with a charitable intent rather than having government assume the power to be a charity when no such power was ever granted to them.

I'm fine with that....not going to happen.

 

[steveh_131]

Didn't Utah enact something along these lines? I remember reading that the savings in the first year was approx $350,000. It seems the people against such legislation only count the test results that come back positive, and not all those who refuse to take the drug test.

You're partially correct. They didn't necessarily 'refuse' the test, some simply never showed up to finish the process. And some probably didn't want to fork over the cash in advance for the drug test.

So while there were some cost savings (in Utah and I believe one other state, out of many who have tried this), there is no evidence that the savings came necessarily came from drug users. In fact, the method for singling out 'suspected' drug users has been shown to be quite the failure. So it's possible that many of them were not.

If we're going to arbitrarily cut people out of welfare programs, let's just do it arbitrarily instead of creating more government bureaucracy in the pretense of screening 'druggies'.

My two cents.

Side note, fun to be on the same side of something, Steve. You wanna get together and go a'rioting? I'm told this is a catch-all method of solving problems.

Yes, I see you're in my neck of the woods. We should go to some anarchist rallies, vandalize things, stuff like that.

 

[bradmedic04]

Good news is that I hear there's a local, bearded, foul-mouthed attorney who's also on INGO and could represent us in our inevitable civil suit against the man. He's probably a total scumbag, which is how I like my lawyers.

If only I could remember his SN.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

While we are on this road.......if the baby mammys don't know the baby daddies,cut their funds in half per child.....I'll bet all of a sudden there would be a daddies name going on that birth certificate,and that would lead to possibly (yea right) back child support or jail. But again, I pay for my children,and I don't have any respect for any man who does not.

 

[HoughMade]

....If only I could remember his SN.

He's a true American hero, whoever he is.

 

[cook4army]

Personally, I kinda like what the state of Kansas is trying do in that the state wants to limit where funds can be drawn from and used on,, I guess the recipients of entitlements in Kansas have been using them in casinos and cruises. Making drug screens for entitlements is not really any different.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Welfare and all the other handouts aren't going away. We don't seem to have the inclination to go after those gaming and abusing the system. I understand why people think something like this ought to be done. And a certain level, I say go for it. But on my cynical side, I'm quite sure, in short order, the players will figure out how to get around the drug tests and/or the community organizers will shame the politicians to either reverse this or create some new, pile of entitlements.

 

[Thor]

I like this. As Dennis Miller said "I don't mind helping the helpless, I'm tired of carrying the clueless" or words to that effect.

I'd also be for only allowing those who put money into the tax system, beyond what they get from it for free, being allowed to vote. I think the founders should have seen the freeloaders coming...but I suppose they had other fish to fry. So, if you don't have skin in the game...go sit down, we'll deal with you as we can, not as you'd vote it to be.

 

[miguel]

They'll probably pass is and then gut it when someone pulls out their Kleenex.

 

[steveh_131]

Welfare and all the other handouts aren't going away. We don't seem to have the inclination to go after those gaming and abusing the system. I understand why people think something like this ought to be done. And a certain level, I say go for it. But on my cynical side, I'm quite sure, in short order, the players will figure out how to get around the drug tests and/or the community organizers will shame the politicians to either reverse this or create some new, pile of entitlements.

Or use this new [completely ineffective] toy, the 'drug abuser suspicion system', for other purposes. Gun licenses? Driver's licenses? Imagine the possibilities!

 

[Ericpwp]

I'd also be for only allowing those who put money into the tax system, beyond what they get from it for free, being allowed to vote. I think the founders should have seen the freeloaders coming...but I suppose they had other fish to fry. So, if you don't have skin in the game...go sit down, we'll deal with you as we can, not as you'd vote it to be.

U.S. Voting Rights

 

[Bennettjh]

This should have been the standard from the start.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Well, they live in Austin would be a start. Austin has two main industries, dope and whores. It's basically a truck stop that got big enough it became a town. Meth and prescription drug use are rampant.

Huh. Bud's Truck Stop (37 and 465 - also famous for practitioners of the world's oldest profession) only turned into Flying J and Mr. Fuel.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I like this. As Dennis Miller said "I don't mind helping the helpless, I'm tired of carrying the clueless" or words to that effect.

I'd also be for only allowing those who put money into the tax system, beyond what they get from it for free, being allowed to vote. I think the founders should have seen the freeloaders coming...but I suppose they had other fish to fry. So, if you don't have skin in the game...go sit down, we'll deal with you as we can, not as you'd vote it to be.

Well, one of them did...

[h=1]“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” - Ben Franklin[/h]

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Or use this new [completely ineffective] toy, the 'drug abuser suspicion system', for other purposes. Gun licenses? Driver's licenses? Imagine the possibilities!

Could be....you didn't build that! Without the government, you wouldn't have those licenses, those privileges, after all.

 

[Dead Duck]

But doing drugs is a victimless crime and should be repealed.



Warning - Saying this to my face will get hospitalized...