DOJ/ATF Issues Letter, Seeks to Make Braced Pistols NFA Items

[IndyDave1776]

Are you a damned fed? Maybe you got lost on your way to the Brady Campaign website?

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

May your chains rest lightly...

 

[OneBadV8]

 

[IndyDave1776]

OK, but I will stand on the notion that I have a severe problem with being ridiculed for standing against 2A violations here of all places.

 

[OneBadV8]

We tend to give a little more leeway in political threads because everyone gets amped up. But everyone just needs to take a breather

 

[fullmetaljesus]

We can comment on their proposal.

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2020-0001-0001


Someone here who is gifted in legal chatter should draft is a well written protest

 

[OneBadV8]

https://www.recoilweb.com/time-to-act-atf-to-classify-braced-firearms-as-nfa-items-164482.html

 

[Johnny C]

Lets look at the facts:
Fact: The ATF has usurped authority in the areas of firearms
Fact: NFA should not exist, therefore SBRs should be legal
Fact: The NFA does exist, and SBRs are NFA items, requiring a tax stamp and extensive background check with fingerprints
Fact: (you know it's true) MOST pistol braces are to get around the NFA

I have a few SBRs and have thought about getting a brace myself, but it is pretty obvious that braces are on their way to becoming illegal, so why bother?

 

[Route 45]

Lets look at the facts:
Fact: The ATF has usurped authority in the areas of firearms
Fact: NFA should not exist, therefore SBRs should be legal
Fact: The NFA does exist, and SBRs are NFA items, requiring a tax stamp and extensive background check with fingerprints
Fact: (you know it's true) MOST pistol braces are to get around the NFA

I have a few SBRs and have thought about getting a brace myself, but it is pretty obvious that braces are on their way to becoming illegal, so why bother?

From that letter, it looks like a braced pistol today will become a tax-free SBR, if one chooses to go that route. So there's $200 reasons (per pistol) to buy one.

 

[Johnny C]

From that letter, it looks like a braced pistol today will become a tax-free SBR, if one chooses to go that route. So there's $200 reasons (per pistol) to buy one.

Alright, need to add a braced short barreled sig556 to my stable while I wait for this.

 

[Johnny C]

This is a funny Meme, I need to save it for later use.

 

[T.Lex]

From that letter, it looks like a braced pistol today will become a tax-free SBR, if one chooses to go that route. So there's $200 reasons (per pistol) to buy one.

Wait. What part of the letter means a braced pistol will become a tax-free SBR?

Seriously, I didn't get that out of the letter at all, but I admit to being biased against the BATFE doing anything that nice.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

...

Someone here who is gifted in legal chatter should draft us a well written protest

I second this. I remember doing this years ago when the comment period was open regarding a potential ban on XM855. Make it easy for people to copy and paste into the comments section.

 

[MCgrease08]

Wait. What part of the letter means a braced pistol will become a tax-free SBR?

Seriously, I didn't get that out of the letter at all, but I admit to being biased against the BATFE doing anything that nice.

There are some high profile YouTubers speculating that there would be a registration period that would allow existing brace owners to register those items, with .gov waiving the tax stamp in order to entice people to comply.

Hopefully that doesn't get people's attention away from the fact that even "free" registration would create the largest gun registry in US history.

If ATF moves to make these braces illegal (that's not what this letter does), then non-compliance is the best course of action, IMHO.

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah, I saw that "retroactive" part and really can't see the AG/ATF/IRS waiving the taxes on them.

 

[Route 45]

Wait. What part of the letter means a braced pistol will become a tax-free SBR?

Seriously, I didn't get that out of the letter at all, but I admit to being biased against the BATFE doing anything that nice.

Um...this part?

https://princelaw.files.wordpress.c...ssifying-stablizing-braces-draft-12-16-20.pdf

Consequently, following issuance of this notice, ATF and DOJ plan to implement a separate process by which current possessors of affected stabilizer-equipped firearms may choose to register such firearms to be compliant with the NFA. As part of that process, ATF plans to expedite processing of these applications, and ATF has been informed that the Attorney General plans retroactively to exempt such firearms from the collection of NFA taxes if they were made or acquired, prior to the publication of this notice, in good faith.

 

[Route 45]

Yeah, I saw that "retroactive" part and really can't see the AG/ATF/IRS waiving the taxes on them.

Retroactive refers to the alleged status of braced pistols actually being untaxed SBRs at the time of purchase, despite the fact that were purchased as braced pistols in good faith. The tax would be waived for any such braced pistol being registered, and I'm assuming as an SBR, since there is no classification for "braced pistol."

 

[CampingJosh]

If there is a "free" registration period for SBRs because of the brace thing, I'm likely to register a few new SBRs that currently have regular stocks and 16"+ barrels on them. After all, once it's registered as an SBR, unless you really enjoy shoot with a forearm strap (I don't), you might as well ditch the brace and put a proper stock on it. And there's no rule against a registered SBR sometimes having a longer barrel on it.

Much better would be to remove SBR and SBS from the NFA, but since neither party has any interest in that, and since I'm already on the registry multiple times, I wouldn't mind getting some additional things through without the fee.

 

[tbhausen]

So the window to get an “untaxed SBR” closed already with the publication of this notice?

 

[Keith_Indy]

Wait. What part of the letter means a braced pistol will become a tax-free SBR?

Seriously, I didn't get that out of the letter at all, but I admit to being biased against the BATFE doing anything that nice.

The headlines on this are for grabbing attention and causing outrage, ie CLICKBAIT. Fine with me if people want to get up in arms about this, send your comments into the ATF and we'll see how the regulations pan out.

Never been a 2nd Amendment ABSOLUTIST... so, I'm sorry that this regulation and the very formation of the ATF is the bane on your existence. Don't mean to get any particular persons panties bunched up, just the facts of life.

Life ain't fair.

Never has been, never will be.

We do our best to change the rules of the game and try to live within them without going against our conscience.

The letter to me seems to state they are asking for comments on making objective standards for determining if a pistol/brace is to be considered a legal combination or a skirting of the law to make a short barreled rifle by another name.

I can tell you THIS regulation, just as with the bump stock ban, wont have any effect on me, at this time. If, for some reason, I get injured and need a brace, I trust in the market to manufacture something within the specifications to be compliant.

I don't desire a rifle caliber pistol that is so heavy and unwieldy that you can ONLY shoot it with a brace. Seems counter-intuitive to me. A solution to a problem I don't have. There are OTHER OPTIONS if you want something in rifle caliber that is compact, like an AK with folding stock for instance.

Just my opinions, and not meant to attack anyone who holds different opinions.