Coronovirus III

[foszoe]

Article says many are immigrant workers who don't qualify for unemployment....

Nice to see sympathy for immigrants.

https://wjla.com/news/local/video-a...-customers-free-food-hundreds-line-up-outside

A grocery chain offered a free bag of food. This is the result. Honestly I doubt it had much to do with Covid-19.

 

[cobber]

Has anyone read this fellow? Seems right on spot for current events, although the book has been around awhile.

https://smile.amazon.com/How-Fear-Works-Culture-Twenty-First-ebook/dp/B077RXGZC5/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=furedi&qid=1587210843&sr=8-1

I have come to the conclusion that society has unwittingly become estranged from the values – such as courage, judgement, reasoning, responsibility – that are necessary for the management of fear. The culture of fear is not a product of nature; in many respects its strength derives from the way that young people are socialized. How Fear Works argues that, more than any other historical development, it was the adoption of new methods of socializing young people that served as a catalyst for the ascendancy of the culture of fear. Young people are socialized to feel fragile and overawed by uncertainty. This book is written in the hope that they will find a way of transcending the disempowering effect of the current regime of socialization.

 

[femurphy77]

Article says many are immigrant workers who don't qualify for unemployment....

Nice to see sympathy for immigrants.

If they are illegals the bag needs to contain food AND a one way ticket home. If they refuse the bag and ticket, ICE ICE Baby.

 

[foszoe]

LOL! Now that's more like it!

If they are illegals the bag needs to contain food AND a one way ticket home. If they refuse the bag and ticket, ICE ICE Baby.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

“Starting Wednesday, in a bow to doctors and hospitals, restrictions on elective procedures and surgeries will be loosened. He cited biopsies for cancer as one example.”

I didn’t realize even these types of “non-emergencies” were included. Can you imagine that you just got the news that you might have cancer, have the biopsy scheduled, and then be told that the government has said they can’t do the biopsies to make sure? And there are those that insist even modest moves to allow them is irresponsible? This is ludicrous! If you’re more afraid of catching CV than cancer, then you stay home. Get out of the way for those of us that had rather fight and live.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/texa...tter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

 

[Leadeye]

Read an article today about dead people getting stimulus checks and I can't say I'm surprised. Maybe they will throw illegals in there as well. The Tony Sopranos and big city machines will feast well on that rich covid money.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Read an article today about dead people getting stimulus checks and I can't say I'm surprised. Maybe they will throw illegals in there as well. The Tony Sopranos and big city machines will feast well on that rich covid money.

Rep. Thomas Masse, over on his twitter page mentioned this. He had a friend whose father had died in 2018 get a check deposited in his dad’s (joint) account the other day. You know this is happening all over.

 

[foszoe]

That did seem like overreach so I did some quick research.

It doesn't appear that it was a blanket no to biopsies. It also seemed that it varied from hospital to hospital (or maybe state to state).

However, its not quite as drastic as it first appears. It was more of a triage guideline than simply "no biopsies"


https://www.facs.org/-/media/files/...riage_of_nonemergent_surgical_procedures.ashx

Cases that need to be done as soon as feasible (recognizing status of hospital likely to progress over nextfew weeks):
• Neoadjuvant patients finishing treatment
• Clinical Stage T2 or N1 ERpos/PRpos/HER2 negative tumors*&
• Triple negative or HER2 positive patients*&
• Discordant biopsies likely to be malignant
• Excision of malignant recurrence
*In some cases institutions may decide to proceed with surgery versus subjecting a patient to an
immunocompromised state with neoadjuvant chemotherapy, these decisions will depend on institutional
resources
Encourage use of breast conserving surgery whenever possible, defer definitive mastectomy and/or
reconstruction until after the COVID 19 pandemic resolves provided radiation oncology services are
available
&Autologous reconstruction should be deferred
Cases that should be deferred
• Excision of benign lesions-fibroadenomas, nodules, etc…
• Duct excisions
• Discordant biopsies likely to be benign

“Starting Wednesday, in a bow to doctors and hospitals, restrictions on elective procedures and surgeries will be loosened. He cited biopsies for cancer as one example.”

I didn’t realize even these types of “non-emergencies” were included. Can you imagine that you just got the news that you might have cancer, have the biopsy scheduled, and then be told that the government has said they can’t do the biopsies to make sure? And there are those that insist even modest moves to allow them is irresponsible? This is ludicrous! If you’re more afraid of catching CV than cancer, then you stay home. Get out of the way for those of us that had rather fight and live.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/texa...tter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

 

[terrehautian]

Rep. Thomas Masse, over on his twitter page mentioned this. He had a friend whose father had died in 2018 get a check deposited in his dad’s (joint) account the other day. You know this is happening all over.

Makes sense unless the irs knows when people pass away. I wonder if they have that ability, they are just going off tax returns.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That did seem like overreach so I did some quick research.

It doesn't appear that it was a blanket no to biopsies. It also seemed that it varied from hospital to hospital (or maybe state to state).

However, its not quite as drastic as it first appears. It was more of a triage guideline than simply "no biopsies"


https://www.facs.org/-/media/files/...riage_of_nonemergent_surgical_procedures.ashx

I’ll not pretend to understand exactly what that medical jibberish is saying. I do stand by my last statement: if one is afraid of dying, self quarantine, let those of us that would rather live and fight alone. At least, if your “quick research” is applicable to what was going on in Texas, it does mitigate the line in the story.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Makes sense unless the irs knows when people pass away. I wonder if they have that ability, they are just going off tax returns.

I don’t know. I’d say with the relative speed in which they sent that money out, I doubt much vetting was done. It will be interesting to see if there is eventually any auditing and clawback of such money.

 

[KittySlayer]

Makes sense unless the irs knows when people pass away. I wonder if they have that ability, they are just going off tax returns.

The Social Security Administration knew my dad passed away before his body was cold. Cut off benefits almost immediately. So the government can move fast when they want to.

 

[BugI02]

Article says many are immigrant workers who don't qualify for unemployment....

Nice to see sympathy for immigrants.

A quick check shows that it is only undocumented/illegal immigrants that do not qualify for unemployment. Since, IMO, it is likely they were unemployed already through no fault of WuVid 19 or that they were working off the books (and not paying taxes nor was their employer paying into UI relative to that employment) I think they should be eligible for private charity but think them less deserving than an immigrant or citizen who has played by the rules

 

[foszoe]

Here's how I understood it in laymans terms. HOOSIERDOC may be able to clarify for us.

IF the hospital is overwhelmed with active COVID cases, then one might have to decide whether to treat a COVID patient OR do a biopsy on a growth believed to be malignant. IF that understanding is true its not as big an issue as the Gov made it seem. BUT, if it means hospital rooms are going empty because of FEAR of COVID, then that is definitely wrong.

I’ll not pretend to understand exactly what that medical jibberish is saying. I do stand by my last statement: if one is afraid of dying, self quarantine, let those of us that would rather live and fight alone. At least, if your “quick research” is applicable to what was going on in Texas, it does mitigate the line in the story.

 

[BugI02]

“Starting Wednesday, in a bow to doctors and hospitals, restrictions on elective procedures and surgeries will be loosened. He cited biopsies for cancer as one example.”

I didn’t realize even these types of “non-emergencies” were included. Can you imagine that you just got the news that you might have cancer, have the biopsy scheduled, and then be told that the government has said they can’t do the biopsies to make sure? And there are those that insist even modest moves to allow them is irresponsible? This is ludicrous! If you’re more afraid of catching CV than cancer, then you stay home. Get out of the way for those of us that had rather fight and live.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/texa...tter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

I believe another poster on INGO has shared the story of an elderly aquaintance who died of coronary complications while waiting to have a pacemaker implanted because the pacemaker surgery was ruled non-emergency

 

[Ingomike]

And there are those that insist even modest moves to allow them is irresponsible? This is ludicrous! If you’re more afraid of catching CV than cancer, then you stay home. Get out of the way for those of us that had rather fight and live.

People today have no critical thinking skills because they were never taught any. They know what they know to work, may even have credentials out the azz, but have little reasoning ability beyond that. They just do as their told. What a crazy world today, we rob the innocence of the young with oversexualization while treating a 24yo as a child. Socialism is rearing its ugly head because that is what we have taught and expected of people. We have seen the sheeple react to what they were told in this situation and it isn't pretty.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Here's how I understood it in laymans terms. HOOSIERDOC may be able to clarify for us.

IF the hospital is overwhelmed with active COVID cases, then one might have to decide whether to treat a COVID patient OR do a biopsy on a growth believed to be malignant. IF that understanding is true its not as big an issue as the Gov made it seem. BUT, if it means hospital rooms are going empty because of FEAR of COVID, then that is definitely wrong.

There are stories out there where hospitals are laying folks off and I even saw one where the hospital was shutting down. The surgeon that did my recent hernia surgery is basically out of work right now (except for *emergencies*). So, read that in conjunction with this subject however you might wish.

 

[BugI02]

Rep. Thomas Masse, over on his twitter page mentioned this. He had a friend whose father had died in 2018 get a check deposited in his dad’s (joint) account the other day. You know this is happening all over.

I believe I have read that they will go back two years, if they could not find a 2019 tax return for him they would use a 2018 if it existed. So if he died in 2018, one can see how the mistake could be made - especially if he was not collecting SS and there was no other gov't data to cross reference. AFAIK there is no duty or methodology to notify IRS that a person has passed away

 

[nonobaddog]

I believe I have read that they will go back two years, if they could not find a 2019 tax return for him they would use a 2018 if it existed. So if he died in 2018, one can see how the mistake could be made - especially if he was not collecting SS and there was no other gov't data to cross reference. AFAIK there is no duty or methodology to notify IRS that a person has passed away

Typically a funeral home will notify Social Security of a death. If Social Security doesn't notify IRS then that is on them.

 

[terrehautian]

Here's how I understood it in laymans terms. HOOSIERDOC may be able to clarify for us.

IF the hospital is overwhelmed with active COVID cases, then one might have to decide whether to treat a COVID patient OR do a biopsy on a growth believed to be malignant. IF that understanding is true its not as big an issue as the Gov made it seem. BUT, if it means hospital rooms are going empty because of FEAR of COVID, then that is definitely wrong.

I know for fact that some local hospitals are not full, the normal return customers (the ones who are in due to being drunk, opioid addicted) and those elective procedures are being cancelled. My wife is a nurse on non covid patients and has been on call more times in the past two months then in the past year. Most of the time staying home all night. Units have been shut down or combined with other units. I’m not sure how crazy covid units have been but it hasn’t been insane I believe. I haven’t even heard of any covid patients being treated at the other hospital in town.