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Just stumbled upon this thread.
Other Calvinists here?
It generally isn't one of my top 10 theological issues, but I generally lean that way.
Just stumbled upon this thread.
Other Calvinists here?
Indeed, Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Do other "images of God" get to burn? Sadly, yes.
[FONT=&]14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? [/FONT][FONT=&]15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, [/FONT][FONT=&]16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? [/FONT][FONT=&]17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.[/FONT][FONT=&]18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?[/FONT]
26 [FONT=&]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.[/FONT]
Maybe a least we can all agree on this.He is Risen!
Just stumbled upon this thread.
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So........ I also have just found this. Is this actually a bona fide discussion or one of INGO's bottomless rabbit holes? Are there actual.....{gasp} CHRISTIANS here? Is anyone here recognized as a reasonable and ethical bible scholar? WUT? A rational discourse between intelligent normal people? OUTRAGEOUS!!
If I could get a civil religious discussion I would have dozens of questions that I would love to get opinions on. I'm not up to going back and reading every post like I did for the WALLET thread, to find the man {men!} behind the curtain. That's time I will never get back!
Just stumbled upon this thread.
Other Calvinists here?
Your doubt is very, very common. Last year our church did a lengthy devotion on, "is it enough?"But faith without works is dead.
i am nervous there’s more to it than simple belief and grace. The servent who buried his talent was punished.
James 2:
If there are, then they were predestined to be here so...
But faith without works is dead.
i am nervous there’s more to it than simple belief and grace. The servent who buried his talent was punished.
James 2:
Uh, yeah!
Fire away. I consider myself a scholar in the sense that I study...
I like that you are "nervous" rather than doctrinal on this. Making things policy is one thing. Making things law is quite another thing. The following is what makes ME nervous!
Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Here's a thing right here. Does this gruesome warning only apply to the book it's found in {Revelation}? or does it's principle extend across the entirety of scripture? Should I be true to Revelation but feel free to run fast and loose with lets say, Genesis? Why and who says so are always required for an answer to mean anything.
About the servant who buried his talents. Wasn't that a parable that was told under the law? Before the crucifixion? Wouldn't punishing the servant AFTER Calvary have been redundant as Jesus had then paid for his sins?
It applies to all of scripture. Ergo, it applies to Joseph Smith.I like that you are "nervous" rather than doctrinal on this. Making things policy is one thing. Making things law is quite another thing. The following is what makes ME nervous!
Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Here's a thing right here. Does this gruesome warning only apply to the book it's found in {Revelation}? or does it's principle extend across the entirety of scripture? Should I be true to Revelation but feel free to run fast and loose with lets say, Genesis? Why and who says so are always required for an answer to mean anything.
Galatians 1:6-9 said:I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Proverbs 30:5-6 said:Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 said:All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Paul wrote a letter to Galatians because they got caught up in a heresy that grace isn't sufficient, life under the law is also required. Paul lays out an argument for why Christ's atonement is sufficient and they should stand firm in their faith and confidence in salvation and turn away from their false doctrine of trying to save themselves.Galatians 2:19-21 said:For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
When the Earth is restored, one might surmise that perfect animals would be there.
Just stumbled upon this thread.
Other Calvinists here?
I think I prefer the "bunch of grapes" option. I could start my own wine business. Has to be popular for all those Baptists who teetotalled back on Earth.