Chris Christie Our Next President?

[Kutnupe14]

Clinton did every statist thing that was asked of him at the time. He took things to an incrementally worse place than his predecessor, and paved the way for incrementally worse things from his successor. He was a corporate crony; a NWO supporter; a servant of the D.C. Machine. If his CFR-supporting wife gets into the seat, she'll take things to an incrementally worse place than Bush and Obama have.

Some highlights of the Clinton legacy
- NAFTA
- Assault Weapons Ban
- Undeclared war in Kosovo
- Undeclared war in Somalia
- Iraq sanctions; killed 500,000 Iraqi children.
- FMLA; more federal intervention in the workplace.
- Balanced budget was a myth; Debt went up every year
- Waco massacre
- Death penalty reform; Increased the likelihood that innocent people will be killed on death row by limiting appeals
- Tons of corporate welfare
- Community Reinvestment Act; mandated loans to low income individuals; led to a certain housing bubble.
- Expanded, militarized, and federalized law enforcement across the country
- Ballooned prison population to record levels; ramped up the Drug War.
- Communication Decency Act; censorship of the internet
- Expanded executive powers in the name of fighting terrorism

Then there were the murder coverups, drug running, false flag terrorism, and more.

Reminding you of what started this...

I'd vote Hillary over Christie. If she 1/4 as good as her husband was, she'd still be light years better that these last two clowns we've had in office.

That was a comparison between Clinton vs either Bush or Obama. And while I can certainly debate many of the issues ou mentioned, this isn't made out to be a defense of Clinton. I still strongly standby the 25% of Bill Clinton, is better than 100% of Bush or Obama.

...But, since I'm a sucker for intellectual engagements.
-Explain why NAFTA is a bad thing (assuming you are a Capitalist)
-Why were the Iraqi Sanctions a bad idea?
-Why is everyone confusing the "Public" debt with the "National" debt (which I have repeatedly made clear)?
-Why is the increase in prison populations, under Clinton, a bad thing? The President's job, being the Chief Exc, is to enforce federal laws on the books. If he was enforcing laws that have been well established prior to his entry into office, it's fairly difficult to say he wasn't doing his job well, per the description of the office.
-FMLA, may certainly be a valid gripe, but it's foolish to believe that even conservatives dislike this program. In fact, I think most would categorize this as being a "good" thing.

 

[jamil]

-Why is everyone confusing the "Public" debt with the "National" debt (which I have repeatedly made clear)?

Public debt = national debt. I think you meant "public deficit" which is how you put it earlier.

But anyway, you said that Clinton "created" a public deficit surplus, which is not true. He did raise taxes. However, the tax revenue from the rate increase was largely devoured by spending increases. The "public deficit" reduction was a result of higher revenues brought in from the tech boom. When the tech boom ended, so did the revenue stream (the tech boom and the surplus ended before GWB's tax cuts went into affect) and so did the surplus. Bottom line, Clinton didn't do anything to "create a surplus in the public deficit". It happened despite his best efforts to stagnate the economy through increased tax burdens.

The "information superhighway" would have been built with or without Clinton. Even Carter couldn't have ****ed that up.

 

[spec4]

Anyone who lived through 8 years of Clinton and don't yet realize how bad he was just wasn't IMO paying attention or they are diehard apologists for the low life criminal socialist. And don't kid yourself that Hillary wasn't in the thick of it. We are far afield from Christie now, so my last comment on the Clinton fiasco is Vince Foster.

 

[mrjarrell]

A Christie run is even making the foreign press now. They're touting him as republicans best shot. Sadly, they may well be right.

BBC News - Christie - the Republicans' best shot at the White House

 

[Jerchap2]

Here is an alternate opinion, that the GOP will lose with another moderate:

Ambinder: GOP can't win with a Moderate in 2016 - Riehl World News

 

[Jerchap2]

The Pope called, and your Cardinalship is ready. What a president does in his own personal time is his business, and as long as it doesn't influence our freedoms or national security, it's none of my business either.

Why do those things have to be mutually exclusive? I think that sex is a profoundly intimate and sacred recreational activity. The Bible doesn't say I'm wrong, I checked.

And for that matter, why in the world do you think someone else's sexual activity is any of your business at all? "Thou shalt meddleth in the bedrooms of othereths" isn't the eleventh commandment. Again, I checked. Come to think about it "Thou shalt not be a Peeping Tom" may be. I'll check.

You are both missing the point. The most important trait a leader must have is character. Being unfaitlful to your wife, lying under oath, lying about Monica Lewinsky in such a public fashion that eventually led young people to believe that oral sex is not having sex, are just a few examples that BJ has no character. Instead, he is a character. And Hillary is no better, also showing a lack of character in ways both large and small.

 

[Trooper]

A Christie run is even making the foreign press now. They're touting him as republicans best shot. Sadly, they may well be right.

BBC News - Christie - the Republicans' best shot at the White House

Now McCain is saying that people are calling him to make another run.
McCain: People want me to run for president again

maybe these two will cancel each other out and let Cruz or Paul win.

 

[flagtag]

Don't believe everything you read/hear. It's the "powers that be" that want us to believe that "everyone" wants those people. (We're supposed to go along with what they say so that we will "fit in" with the crowd - that doesn't exist) Do your homework. You know that Hillery, McCain, Christy are no good for the country. Look for a supporter of the Constitution!

 

[mrjarrell]

Now McCain is saying that people are calling him to make another run.
McCain: People want me to run for president again

maybe these two will cancel each other out and let Cruz or Paul win.

No, he's not thinking about running for president again. He was referencing a run for his senate seat, not the presidency. Even McCain isn't that stupid.

John McCain: People Are Telling Me ?Run for President Again? | Mediaite

 

[Kutnupe14]

No, he's not thinking about running for president again. He was referencing a run for his senate seat, not the presidency. Even McCain isn't that stupid.

John McCain: People Are Telling Me ?Run for President Again? | Mediaite

Not sure if srs, lol

 

[mrjarrell]

Fairly serious. McCain had his ass handed to him. I can't see him doing it again, or the party machine letting him. They're already pretty sure they're going to get their asses handed to them again the next go around. There's just no-one out there that's got what it takes to defeat the blue machine. The numbers just don't add up. Even the stupid party can do basic math. While I'm pretty sure that Hillary will be the dem candidate of choice, I did see a piece today that posited an Elizabeth Warren run. That would be just as bad for the gop. Both of them have big constituencies.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Fairly serious. McCain had his ass handed to him. I can't see him doing it again, or the party machine letting him. They're already pretty sure they're going to get their asses handed to them again the next go around. There's just no-one out there that's got what it takes to defeat the blue machine. The numbers just don't add up. Even the stupid party can do basic math. While I'm pretty sure that Hillary will be the dem candidate of choice, I did see a piece today that posited an Elizabeth Warren run. That would be just as bad for the gop. Both of them have big constituencies.

MJ, I'm just joshing you.

 

[avboiler11]

While I'm pretty sure that Hillary will be the dem candidate of choice, I did see a piece today that posited an Elizabeth Warren run. That would be just as bad for the gop. Both of them have big constituencies.

Warren would be way, way, WAY worse for conservatives than Hillary.

WAY worse.

 

[jamil]

No, he's not thinking about running for president again. He was referencing a run for his senate seat, not the presidency. Even McCain isn't that stupid.

John McCain: People Are Telling Me ?Run for President Again? | Mediaite

well, it worked well for Democrats last time. I don't think they'd mind him making another run.

 

[rambone]

I started a new thread for all the Bill Clinton talk:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/general-political-discussion/320879-bill-clinton-legacy.html


Sorry to thread-jack the Christie discussion.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Clinton did every statist thing that was asked of him at the time. He took things to an incrementally worse place than his predecessor, and paved the way for incrementally worse things from his successor. He was a corporate crony; a NWO supporter; a servant of the D.C. Machine. If his CFR-supporting wife gets into the seat, she'll take things to an incrementally worse place than Bush and Obama have.

Some highlights of the Clinton legacy
- NAFTA
- Assault Weapons Ban
- Undeclared war in Kosovo
- Undeclared war in Somalia
- Iraq sanctions; killed 500,000 Iraqi children.
- FMLA; more federal intervention in the workplace.
- Balanced budget was a myth; Debt went up every year
- Waco massacre
- Death penalty reform; Increased the likelihood that innocent people will be killed on death row by limiting appeals
- Tons of corporate welfare
- Community Reinvestment Act; mandated loans to low income individuals; led to a certain housing bubble.
- Expanded, militarized, and federalized law enforcement across the country
- Ballooned prison population to record levels; ramped up the Drug War.
- Communication Decency Act; censorship of the internet
- Expanded executive powers in the name of fighting terrorism

Then there were the murder coverups, drug running, false flag terrorism, and more.

Well yeah, if we're picking nits!

 

[flagtag]

I don't know. I think the people (even Obama supporters) are tired of the Socialist/Communist/Muslim party. They have been bit in the backside for their efforts.

 

[Expat]

I don't know. I think the people (even Obama supporters) are tired of the Socialist/Communist/Muslim party. They have been bit in the backside for their efforts.

I think they are only disappointed the looting of the rich hasn't gone better.

 

[Trooper]

I think they are only disappointed the looting of the rich hasn't gone better.

What happens when the democrat voters realize that they have been had and that the democrats have become the party of the rich?

 

[Bummer]

You are both missing the point. ...

I'm not so sure I'm the one missing the point. I quoted the part on which I was commenting. I was making an off-topic comment about an off-topic comment about sex not being a recreational activity.

A bit more on-topic: Are there any politicians, including Christie, who do not lie and in general lack character? They do, after all, seek power over others, and generally deceive as needed to get it. I really can't see those as particularly noble traits.

If a guy wants it, and can even come close to being endorsed by a major party, I'm convinced he shouldn't have it. I figure anybody who disagrees probably hasn't been paying attention. Or worse.