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Noticed a few things in this thread.
1. Basically there is NO one that the libertarians support as no one will EVER be good enough. They do not want a human being. Rather, like the democrats, they are looking for a messiah to save them.
2. Christie is an establishment politician. It appears that the establishment has been looking for their next candidate. They want a governor and Christie is the only one who comes close to meeting their requirements. Frankly most conservatives, as well as libertarians, see him as only a little better than a democrat.
3. There seems to be a lot of "barracks lawyers" who have less than a good understanding of the law (to include Trump). Naturally born means that you are an US citizen who does not, nor has been in the past, naturalized. Cruz, Obama and McCain all were born of at least one US parent thus have full citizenship rights from birth (born with said rights). Yes it is easier to determine that one is naturally born if they were born on US soil. But as one is "naturally born" if they are born here (ie children of illegal aliens) so it is if you have US parents in the first place. I am not even sure that most lawyers really understand citizenship laws. Nor is it real clear that the laws have had a lot of court cases, thus SCOTUS decisions, to make them clear.
4. Most conservatives are not looking for a messiah, let alone a god-king. We simply want someone who has their head screwed on straight.
5. The democrats have done a very good job of divide and conquer. They are using social issues to create division. Then they march up the middle as the saviors with the solutions to the problems that they have created. And blame conservatives for creating the problems!
6. Conservatives, and libertarians are far worst, are very divided with little leadership. At the same time the democrats are very focused and do a very good job of keeping their divisions under tight control. If there is conflict in their ranks, it is dealt with. They vote, have one voice. No one speaks out. Even the Nazi party did not have this leave of control over their ranks.
7. As bad as it seems, there are seeds of hope. The democrats have a lot of weakness. Most of their "image" is just that, just for show. It is post modernism where nothing matters, nothing is real except the image that you desire. At some point even the situation gets so bad that the democrats can not even control it. What we must fear is that the people will call out for a messiah, a savior. That is how you get dictators. The people either seek G-D or they will create their own gods. We saw that in the French Revolution (and every revolution since). In the end, politics is not the answer. Rather the answer comes from within the people. So conservatives are not putting their hope in a political solution. The Moral Majority tried that and failed. Big lesson learned. Politics is a mere reflection of the spiritual. Instead of pushing a political solution, which most of the libertarians are still throwing back in our faces from the previous mistakes, it is far better to seek a spiritual one. Reach out to people, especially in the democrat control stated like the NE corridor. Plant church congregations. That is happening, very quietly. But evangelical congregations are exploding from DC to Boston. And the evangelicals are really bringing in Hispanics. One day the democrats will wake up to this but not now. Just remember that in the greatest despair comes the greatest hope. The opposite of this is also true. Obama allowed everyone to write their expectations on him. With great expectations come great disappointment.
This is not a religious discussion, so take the points as observations of how we Americans operate.
1. Basically there is NO one that the libertarians support as no one will EVER be good enough. They do not want a human being. Rather, like the democrats, they are looking for a messiah to save them.
2. Christie is an establishment politician. It appears that the establishment has been looking for their next candidate. They want a governor and Christie is the only one who comes close to meeting their requirements. Frankly most conservatives, as well as libertarians, see him as only a little better than a democrat.
3. There seems to be a lot of "barracks lawyers" who have less than a good understanding of the law (to include Trump). Naturally born means that you are an US citizen who does not, nor has been in the past, naturalized. Cruz, Obama and McCain all were born of at least one US parent thus have full citizenship rights from birth (born with said rights). Yes it is easier to determine that one is naturally born if they were born on US soil. But as one is "naturally born" if they are born here (ie children of illegal aliens) so it is if you have US parents in the first place. I am not even sure that most lawyers really understand citizenship laws. Nor is it real clear that the laws have had a lot of court cases, thus SCOTUS decisions, to make them clear.
4. Most conservatives are not looking for a messiah, let alone a god-king. We simply want someone who has their head screwed on straight.
5. The democrats have done a very good job of divide and conquer. They are using social issues to create division. Then they march up the middle as the saviors with the solutions to the problems that they have created. And blame conservatives for creating the problems!
6. Conservatives, and libertarians are far worst, are very divided with little leadership. At the same time the democrats are very focused and do a very good job of keeping their divisions under tight control. If there is conflict in their ranks, it is dealt with. They vote, have one voice. No one speaks out. Even the Nazi party did not have this leave of control over their ranks.
7. As bad as it seems, there are seeds of hope. The democrats have a lot of weakness. Most of their "image" is just that, just for show. It is post modernism where nothing matters, nothing is real except the image that you desire. At some point even the situation gets so bad that the democrats can not even control it. What we must fear is that the people will call out for a messiah, a savior. That is how you get dictators. The people either seek G-D or they will create their own gods. We saw that in the French Revolution (and every revolution since). In the end, politics is not the answer. Rather the answer comes from within the people. So conservatives are not putting their hope in a political solution. The Moral Majority tried that and failed. Big lesson learned. Politics is a mere reflection of the spiritual. Instead of pushing a political solution, which most of the libertarians are still throwing back in our faces from the previous mistakes, it is far better to seek a spiritual one. Reach out to people, especially in the democrat control stated like the NE corridor. Plant church congregations. That is happening, very quietly. But evangelical congregations are exploding from DC to Boston. And the evangelicals are really bringing in Hispanics. One day the democrats will wake up to this but not now. Just remember that in the greatest despair comes the greatest hope. The opposite of this is also true. Obama allowed everyone to write their expectations on him. With great expectations come great disappointment.
This is not a religious discussion, so take the points as observations of how we Americans operate.
