Anyone want to go to prison???

[IndianaGTI]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this an SBR if you attach the stock? One day at the range, a fellow had one and was about to attach a stock. He said the sheriff told him it was OK! I advised that he find out for sure before risking 20 years of his life.

ARMSLIST - For Sale/Trade: BRAND NEW GSG-5 WITH RETRACTABLE STOCK NEVER FIRES

 

[Mosinguy]

Very illegal. Someone should contact him before the ATF does.

 

[Rookie]

That would be an unregistered sbr (assuming you put the stock on). At the least you have constructive intent.

 

[IndyDave1776]

As asinine as the legal definitions are, a legal handgun plus a stock equals an SBR. In fact, on a new-build weapon, it is illegal for a handgun to have any provision for mounting a stock as I understand it (i.e., building a Krinkov from a kit, you may not legally drill the holes through which the folding stock would attach). I don't understand why a weapon under stated dimensions is not simply considered a handgun, but my opinion plus logical thought will not get you any mileage in any court anywhere!

 

[12bee]

The pic changed and now it's listed under NFA firearms.It would be legal if you pay the tax stamp and do the proper paperwork.Before it was listed under rifles and showed the stock. Looks factory boxed to me.

 

[WebSnyper]

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[IndianaGTI]

I warned him. He was probably the ATF or the aforementioned sheriff. Lol

 

[jon5212]

Could you buy it and just not attach the stock?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Could you buy it and just not attach the stock?

That depends entirely upon how it was registered when manufactured, just like when you buy and AR15 receiver, if you want to build a handgun, you have to buy a receiver that was registered by the manufacturer as a handgun, otherwise you are making an illegal SBR even if in pure pistol configuration. Ditto when you buy a TC Contender or Encore. If you buy one registered and sold as a handgun, you can put as long a barrel as you like on it, but not a stock. If you buy one registered/sold as a rifle, you had better not put anything under 16" on the front end of it unless you want buggered by Bubba.

 

[printcraft]

I warned him. He was probably the ATF or the aforementioned sheriff. Lol

Stuff like this pops up from time to time and I wonder as well.

Could anybody be that stoopid?

 

[T-DOGG]

Stuff like this pops up from time to time and I wonder as well.

Could anybody be that stoopid?

Maybe it's just me but seems to be happening more and more lately. ATF must be getting desperate
I received this email the other day for a handgun I had listed on Armslist:
"I'll buy it, I am from Ohio, looking for a good ccw gun"

My response went something like ummm.... no.
Maybe I should have told him to meet me outside Wrigley Field.

 

[Hookeye]

I saw a gent at my club yrs ago, with an Encore equipped with pistol bbl. He had the factory box and stuff by his bench. Affixed was a buttstock and it had a rifle scope.

He wanted to check out the accuracy of his handloads.

I said "excuse me sir......" (and proceeded to explain the rules).

He said he didn't know he couldn't do that, esp since the buttstock change was so easy he said it couldn't be.

I pointed to the big red warning on the TC box..........

Told him I don't care what he does, but somebody else could come along and feel differently.

 

[Tamara]

I don't understand why a weapon under stated dimensions is not simply considered a handgun, but my opinion plus logical thought will not get you any mileage in any court anywhere!

The reason the SBR/SBS rules don't make any sense is because NFA '34 was originally written to include all handguns, too. Basically everything under the minimum OAL, whether it had a shoulder stock or not, would have required a tax stamp to cross state lines.

The National Revolver Association successfully lobbied to get the handguns out of the proposed law, and thus we are left with the bizarre rules we have now. If common sense were actually common, they'd just remove the OAL and barrel length regs altogether, but I wouldn't stand on one foot waiting for common sense to break out in the .gov...

 

[EvilBlackGun]

Saw this at a range ...

... 4" radiator clamp, butt stock off an SKS folder, GLOCK gen 2 with finger-grooves, all nicely set up to fire w/ 33-rd magazine. I immediately left for Wendy's. That was a ten / ten gun, wasn't it??

 

[IndyDave1776]

If common sense were actually common, they'd just remove the OAL and barrel length regs altogether, but I wouldn't stand on one foot waiting for common sense to break out in the .gov...

You mean something along the lines of reading the Constitution (including the Bill of Rights), doing what it says, and not doing what it doesn't say? I am with you. I don't see that happening any time soon, either.

 

[1 old 0311]

Maybe it's just me but seems to be happening more and more lately. ATF must be getting desperate
I received this email the other day for a handgun I had listed on Armslist:
"I'll buy it, I am from Ohio, looking for a good ccw gun"

My response went something like ummm.... no.
Maybe I should have told him to meet me outside Wrigley Field.

I got the same crap pulled on me. Someone advised me to contact IMPD and have them do a sting on the ATF. Now THAT would be funny.

 

[IndianaGTI]

I received this email the other day for a handgun I had listed on Armslist:
"I'll buy it, I am from Ohio, looking for a good ccw gun"

My response went something like ummm.... no.
Maybe I should have told him to meet me outside Wrigley Field.

Yeah, I had the exact same thing on Armslist.

 

[JoshuaW]

I got the same crap pulled on me. Someone advised me to contact IMPD and have them do a sting on the ATF. Now THAT would be funny.

That would be epic!

It looks like he removed the stock from the listing. Good for him!

 

[45calibre]

That depends entirely upon how it was registered when manufactured, just like when you buy and AR15 receiver, if you want to build a handgun, you have to buy a receiver that was registered by the manufacturer as a handgun, otherwise you are making an illegal SBR even if in pure pistol configuration. Ditto when you buy a TC Contender or Encore. If you buy one registered and sold as a handgun, you can put as long a barrel as you like on it, but not a stock. If you buy one registered/sold as a rifle, you had better not put anything under 16" on the front end of it unless you want buggered by Bubba.

i didnt know that there were handgun ar receivers and rifle ar receivers???

is there a way to tell the difference?

 

[Tamara]

i didnt know that there were handgun ar receivers and rifle ar receivers???

is there a way to tell the difference?

Unless you filled out the original 4473 yourself or it's it's one of the newer ones that actually come marked "PISTOL ONLY" from the manufacturer, not really.

You could, I suppose, call the manufacturer and ask how receiver S/N # such-and-such is listed on their books.