2022 Legislative Session Thread

[Mgderf]

I did give Jim's self defense bill a look finally. Only difference I saw between SB 143 and HB 1114 was HB 1114 adds "fixed place of business" to the locations under Castle Doctrine.

Just curious.
Would a mobile food truck qualify as a "fixed place of business"?

 

[KellyinAvon]

Just curious.
Would a mobile food truck qualify as a "fixed place of business"?

I'm thinking it would have to be non-mobile to be fixed. HOWEVER, that is an occupied vehicle, which is currently codified under Castle Doctrine.

 

[Mgderf]

I'm thinking it would have to be non-mobile to be fixed. HOWEVER, that is an occupied vehicle, which is currently codified under Castle Doctrine.

As long as it's covered.
It is, after all, a workplace for some.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Nothing online yet but I saw the Fox 59 blurb on HB 1077. Pretty much down the middle on coverage.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Nothing online yet but I saw the Fox 59 blurb on HB 1077. Pretty much down the middle on coverage.

In all honesty, this (the above description) is what I’d like to see all our “news” outlets providing.
“At the Statehouse today, House Bill 1077, a bill that would allow people who can qualify for a license to carry a handgun, to do so without being required to obtain that license. There were several people here on both sides of the issue to speak to the representatives about it, and the bill passed the committee 9-3. Back to you, Ted.”

No “spin”.
No emotion.
No tugging at the heartstrings.
Just the facts, man. (Apologies to Joe Friday)

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Bollorollo]

To bad the news didn't show the questioning of the State Trooper about what happens to those who have been known to be violent felons who actually tried to apply for a license plus are forbidden by law to possess a firearm. The officer got crucified by both sides when he couldn't answer what steps were taking afterwards to see if the know violent felon was investigated. The trooper wasn't having a good time during this part of speaking lol..

 

[Bill of Rights]

To bad the news didn't show the questioning of the State Trooper about what happens to those who have been known to be violent felons who actually tried to apply for a license plus are forbidden by law to possess a firearm. The officer got crucified by both sides when he couldn't answer what steps were taking afterwards to see if the know violent felon was investigated. The trooper wasn't having a good time during this part of speaking lol..

Well, I wasn't there, but if you're going to go speak on a topic, you should probably have all relevant information ready at hand if not in head.

Compare and contrast Jen Psaki vs. Kaylee Mcananey

One had ready answers, on the ball, knew her stuff cold.

The other is the "circle back girl".... not even enough to call her a "woman"..... "girl". That word alone in that context speaks volumes.

 

[Bollorollo]

Who was the lady yesterday who sat there and tried to lecture Jim Lucas on his compassion of the Constitution and how its ok to make people have a license to carry so you can exercise their constitutional rights after the hearings and right before voting on the bill?

 

[SouthernStar25]

Nothing online yet but I saw the Fox 59 blurb on HB 1077. Pretty much down the middle on coverage.

Here's the link to the story:

Proposed house bill one step closer to removing gun permit requirements for many Hoosiers

INDIANAPOLIS — Republican state lawmakers are making another attempt to get through a house bill that will no longer require licenses for many gun owners. “Do you think requiring a lice…

fox59.com

 

[KellyinAvon]

Who was the lady yesterday who sat there and tried to lecture Jim Lucas on his compassion of the Constitution and how its ok to make people have a license to carry so you can exercise their constitutional rights after the hearings and right before voting on the bill?

That was probably Jody ****ing Medeira (I started adding the "****ing" to her name last year.) With that level of narcissism academia or politics is about the only place she could be employed.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Here's the link to the story:

Proposed house bill one step closer to removing gun permit requirements for many Hoosiers

INDIANAPOLIS — Republican state lawmakers are making another attempt to get through a house bill that will no longer require licenses for many gun owners. “Do you think requiring a lice…

fox59.com

Thank you SS25!

This one leaned a bit left for my taste. Opens with (my verbiage here) "In a time with gun violence, AAAHHHH!!!"

The newsie probably didn't know the blue shirts they showed were The 2A Project.

The first person you see testifying at the 0:30 mark will be described in the my notes from Wednesday as "masked hipster anti".

No names on the people shown testifying at the Statehouse, including the actual identity of the dude with the distinguished grey beard at the 0:45 mark (my last name is not Inavon.) That was my closing line and summed up ConC at present in this Country (I thought so anyway.)

Showed him, but did not play any audio from Sheriff Quakenbush (Hamilton County) who gave us the "Calling 911 should not be your Plan A for self-defense" line.

Corrine Youngs from the Attorney General's Office was shown testifying "this supports the Constitution."

I don't think they realized the gentleman in the sport coat was speaking in support, he was just all over the place at times and wanted the bill to go further.

State Po-Po entourage shown hatin on the 1077. Didn't show Chairman Smaltz leveling him with the "Do you know how many felons are carrying guns now?" question.

1:46 mark: shows some unconstitutional State's gun permit application since there is a "permit to purchase a firearm" choice.

This is gonna get interesting folks!

 

[Bill of Rights]

Thank you SS25!

This one leaned a bit left for my taste. Opens with (my verbiage here) "In a time with gun violence, AAAHHHH!!!"

The newsie probably didn't know the blue shirts they showed were The 2A Project.

The first person you see testifying at the 0:30 mark will be described in the my notes from Wednesday as "masked hipster anti".

No names on the people shown testifying at the Statehouse, including the actual identity of the dude with the distinguished grey beard at the 0:45 mark (my last name is not Inavon.) That was my closing line and summed up ConC at present in this Country (I thought so anyway.)

Showed him, but did not play any audio from Sheriff Quakenbush (Hamilton County) who gave us the "Calling 911 should not be your Plan A for self-defense" line.

Corrine Youngs from the Attorney General's Office was shown testifying "this supports the Constitution."

I don't think they realized the gentleman in the sport coat was speaking in support, he was just all over the place at times and wanted the bill to go further.

State Po-Po entourage shown hatin on the 1077. Didn't show Chairman Smaltz leveling him with the "Do you know how many felons are carrying guns now?" question.

1:46 mark: shows some unconstitutional State's gun permit application since there is a "permit to purchase a firearm" choice.

This is gonna get interesting folks!

In general, anything on the news is going to be slanted that way, though, Kelly. However it will make the most people upset.... (watch the original "Die Hard" movie and how the one reporter acted.... The one the wife clocked at the end..... to see what I mean)

Overall, based on that story and the coverage you and the others present have provided, I think this went well.

And much as your last name is not Inavon, a certain former mod who shall remain nameless here once suggested that my parents were patriotic. And Irish. He thought my last name was O'Rights. lol

Thank you and thank everyone who was able to be there for standing up for our rights!

Blessings,
Bill

 

[KellyinAvon]

From ISRPA:

From ISRPA President Charlie Hiltunen 5 January 2022 5:35pm:

HB 1077, Constitutional Carry just passed the House Public Policy Committee by a vote of 9-3. It is now on its way to the floor of the House.

Please call your Representative and ask them to vote YES on HB 1077!

 

[tbhausen]

That was probably Jody ****ing Medeira (I started adding the "****ing" to her name last year.) With that level of narcissism academia or politics is about the only place she could be employed.

She was the one that I was referring to as being “difficult to listen to”.

 

[goldtrigger]

As I read things, 1077 May go before the full house for 2nd reading on Monday. The house posted their agenda today for their Monday meeting.
Kelly, is that how you read it?
@KellyinAvon

 

[KellyinAvon]

As I read things, 1077 May go before the full house for 2nd reading on Monday. The house posted their agenda today for their Monday meeting.
Kelly, is that how you read it?
@KellyinAvon

You are correct, sir! Up for second reading on the House floor. Third reading is where the House votes, if it passes it goes to the Senate where it starts over. Can have amendments introduced, that's always a charlie foxtrot.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Here's the link to the video from the HB 1077 hearing. Notes and video time points in the next post.

http://iga.in.gov/information/archives/2022/video/committee_public_policy_1600/

 

[KellyinAvon]

OK, here are (most) of my notes from Wednesday. Keep in mind this is from the hieroglyphic-like scribbled notes taken during the hearing.

1345, nothing happening

Room 404 packed, moving to House Chambers!

I may move to Auburn so I can vote for Chairman Smaltz, great move

1400- starting, 25 to testify, 2 hours… no way!!

HB 1077, section by section

1418-testimony starts

Video 0:20:00

I’m up second? I never go second

Destiny (??) Wells, Anti

• Attorney
• Grew up on a farm with no guns (never met a farmer who didn’t own guns)
• BS on weapons of war/comparisons with military, more hyperbole.
• Jim is on her with questions.

Video 0:25:40

Me (you know me)

• Distinguished grey beard
• NRA polo with The 2A Project t-shirt
• Went cleared hot with FBI UCR data
• Showed that most murderers are prohibited possessors

Video 0:30:40

Corrine Youngs from Attorney General’s Office, Pro

• Wants more support for Indiana Sec 1 Art 32 and gun owners
• More reciprocity

Nicholas Cuffman, masked hipster anti

• BS on worldwide death rates
• This hipster is FOS

Video 0:40:24

Sheriff Dennis Quakenbush from Hamilton County, Pro

• Criminals do not follow the law
• Plan A for self defense should not be 911
• Protecting rights of citizens

Video 0:46:20

State Po-Po (ISP) hoard, anti

• Where’s Doug? (ISP Sup Carter)
• Assistant Chief of Staff Robinson? How big an entourage does Doug have??
• Rejected LTCH prevents felons from having guns, BS
• Jim and Ben Smaltz hit them with good questions: How many felons are not carry a gun now? I dunno.

Video 0:54:50

Will Fite (sounds dangerous) Hoosier Gun Rights (one of Dudley’s stooges) Pro

• Fought hard for ConC? BS
• “Some in this room traded Red Coates for red t-shirts” (OK I don’t like the organization, but that was a good line)
• Ben Smaltz called him out for the memo he’d received saying they were gonna come and oppose 1077
• HGR threw their lawyer under the bus

I skip a few here

Video 1:21:30

Chief Pat Flannelly (Indiana Police Chief’s Association) Anti

• Butter
• LTCH stops criminals? NOT!
• (Guy is making notes)
• Gives Jim a BS answer
• Rep Austin, geesh she has an obsession with LTCH providing probable cause

Video 1:32:50

Jody ****ing Medeira

• Legal expert? Please
• BS on database from last year’s HB 1369, NAGR BS not in the bill!
• Criminals don’t fill out 4473s
• The student barricaded at IU campus WAS UNARMED!!
• BS on what Heller said
• Thinks SCOTUS will side with NY over NYSRPA? WTF were you watching??

Skipping a few, including old guy from Noblesville who thinks 2A is about hunting.

Video 2:09:45

Will Hutchens, Support

• The law is supreme
• He is all over the place
• Marbury v Madison John Marshall quote

Skipping a few. Next was a Ft Wayne Gang Violence Task Force Detective- anti

• Maybe they need a violence REDUCTION task force
• Who does he interact with? I AM NOT A VIOLENT GANG MEMBER!
• Daughter got fingerprint appt 36 hours later? WTF?
• Prohibited possessors CAN’T LAWFULLY CARRY GUNS!!
• Criminals are honest?

Video 2:23:35

Joel Weinke, Public Defenders Council, neutral

• Public defenders don’t like felonies
• Recidivism is caused by the law, not the criminal (can’t make this up)
• Breaking of law because of peer pressure
• At this point I wrote, “I carry a gun because of his clients”, Guy agreed

Watch the next one at your peril, I went to the bathroom at this point.

Video 2:49:40

Rod Converse, wearing The 2A Project hat, support

• There is no license to carry a rifle
• One of us, but all over the place
• What does the Police do about a rifle/comparison to Police-anti testimony

Video 2:54:15

Charlie Hiltunen, Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association (ISRPA) President, support

• Intro
• We support this bill
• Thank you
• Peace out!
• I added peace out

Video 2:54:55

John Weber, NRA

• ConC: not new or uncommon
• Doesn’t allow prohibited possessors to possess
• Criminals gonna criminal
• Can’t get a protective order or carry without a license if you can’t identify the individual, great point
• Arguments against legalizing concealed carry included it would kill LEOs

Video 3:03:00

Guy Relford!!

• Just pull up the video (I wrote that)
• Mic drop at 3:12:45 (requesting fingerprinting appointment for LTCH in Marion County)

 

[Bollorollo]

El'ad Nichols-Kaufman, The kid is a local activist I've learn from looking up his name online.. He is one of these Democrat Socialist. Probably feels Communist is the answer to all problems in this world. He is a Soy Boy type I would describe him as. I sat not far from him and the whole time he would not look up During the hearing but always was looking down to the floor or at his journal he had in his hand.. The guy also would never look eye to eye with anyone as he walk by them as I tried to do this to him to see if I could get a response out of him..
Odds are strongly in favor he has many psychological issues like Self-Esteem issues, Anxiety Disorder, Childhood Disorders, Or the many others which fall under psychological issues.. It would be interesting to see the amount of meds he is probably on for any of this issues.. One thing I have found about people like him and his political ideologies are the majority of them suffer from some sort of physiological problems.

OK, here are (most) of my notes from Wednesday. Keep in mind this is from the hieroglyphic-like scribbled notes taken during the hearing.

1345, nothing happening

Room 404 packed, moving to House Chambers!

I may move to Auburn so I can vote for Chairman Smaltz, great move

1400- starting, 25 to testify, 2 hours… no way!!

HB 1077, section by section

1418-testimony starts

Video 0:20:00

I’m up second? I never go second

Destiny (??) Wells, Anti

• Attorney
• Grew up on a farm with no guns (never met a farmer who didn’t own guns)
• BS on weapons of war/comparisons with military, more hyperbole.
• Jim is on her with questions.

Video 0:25:40

Me (you know me)

• Distinguished grey beard
• NRA polo with The 2A Project t-shirt
• Went cleared hot with FBI UCR data
• Showed that most murderers are prohibited possessors

Video 0:30:40

Corrine Youngs from Attorney General’s Office, Pro

• Wants more support for Indiana Sec 1 Art 32 and gun owners
• More reciprocity

Nicholas Cuffman, masked hipster anti

• BS on worldwide death rates
• This hipster is FOS

Video 0:40:24

Sheriff Dennis Quakenbush from Hamilton County, Pro

• Criminals do not follow the law
• Plan A for self defense should not be 911
• Protecting rights of citizens

Video 0:46:20

State Po-Po (ISP) hoard, anti

• Where’s Doug? (ISP Sup Carter)
• Assistant Chief of Staff Robinson? How big an entourage does Doug have??
• Rejected LTCH prevents felons from having guns, BS
• Jim and Ben Smaltz hit them with good questions: How many felons are not carry a gun now? I dunno.

Video 0:54:50

Will Fite (sounds dangerous) Hoosier Gun Rights (one of Dudley’s stooges) Pro

• Fought hard for ConC? BS
• “Some in this room traded Red Coates for red t-shirts” (OK I don’t like the organization, but that was a good line)
• Ben Smaltz called him out for the memo he’d received saying they were gonna come and oppose 1077
• HGR threw their lawyer under the bus

I skip a few here

Video 1:21:30

Chief Pat Flannelly (Indiana Police Chief’s Association) Anti

• Butter
• LTCH stops criminals? NOT!
• (Guy is making notes)
• Gives Jim a BS answer
• Rep Austin, geesh she has an obsession with LTCH providing probable cause

Video 1:32:50

Jody ****ing Medeira

• Legal expert? Please
• BS on database from last year’s HB 1369, NAGR BS not in the bill!
• Criminals don’t fill out 4473s
• The student barricaded at IU campus WAS UNARMED!!
• BS on what Heller said
• Thinks SCOTUS will side with NY over NYSRPA? WTF were you watching??

Skipping a few, including old guy from Noblesville who thinks 2A is about hunting.

Video 2:09:45

Will Hutchens, Support

• The law is supreme
• He is all over the place
• Marbury v Madison John Marshall quote

Skipping a few. Next was a Ft Wayne Gang Violence Task Force Detective- anti

• Maybe they need a violence REDUCTION task force
• Who does he interact with? I AM NOT A VIOLENT GANG MEMBER!
• Daughter got fingerprint appt 36 hours later? WTF?
• Prohibited possessors CAN’T LAWFULLY CARRY GUNS!!
• Criminals are honest?

Video 2:23:35

Joel Weinke, Public Defenders Council, neutral

• Public defenders don’t like felonies
• Recidivism is caused by the law, not the criminal (can’t make this up)
• Breaking of law because of peer pressure
• At this point I wrote, “I carry a gun because of his clients”, Guy agreed

Watch the next one at your peril, I went to the bathroom at this point.

Video 2:49:40

Rod Converse, wearing The 2A Project hat, support

• There is no license to carry a rifle
• One of us, but all over the place
• What does the Police do about a rifle/comparison to Police-anti testimony

Video 2:54:15

Charlie Hiltunen, Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association (ISRPA) President, support

• Intro
• We support this bill
• Thank you
• Peace out!
• I added peace out

Video 2:54:55

John Weber, NRA

• ConC: not new or uncommon
• Doesn’t allow prohibited possessors to possess
• Criminals gonna criminal
• Can’t get a protective order or carry without a license if you can’t identify the individual, great point
• Arguments against legalizing concealed carry included it would kill LEOs

Video 3:03:00

Guy Relford!!

• Just pull up the video (I wrote that)
• Mic drop at 3:12:45 (requesting fingerprinting appointment for LTCH in Marion County)

 

[KLB]

El'ad Nichols-Kaufman, The kid is a local activist I've learn from looking up his name online.. He is one of these Democrat Socialist. Probably feels Communist is the answer to all problems in this world. He is a Soy Boy type I would describe him as. I sat not far from him and the whole time he would not look up During the hearing but always was looking down to the floor or at his journal he had in his hand.. The guy also would never look eye to eye with anyone as he walk by them as I tried to do this to him to see if I could get a response out of him..
Odds are strongly in favor he has many psychological issues like Self-Esteem issues, Anxiety Disorder, Childhood Disorders, Or the many others which fall under psychological issues.. It would be interesting to see the amount of meds he is probably on for any of this issues.. One thing I have found about people like him and his political ideologies are the majority of them suffer from some sort of physiological problems.

There is a portion of the population that sees disorders as badges of honor.