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Why the hate for Cyclists?
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LeftyGunner
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Now do 'pedestrians using roadway' and 'slow, children at play'
To keep them 'completely safe from cars' shouldn't they be prohibited from the roadway also? That would be the consistent position after all, expecting others to take responsibility for the safety of you or your children is foolish I'm told
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I think it's a display of pique and not conversation in response to hurt feels
LeftyGunner
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I mean… you’re not wrong.
Barring both cars and bicycles from the roadway altogether would seem like a really effective way to reduce the number of fatal crashes involving bikes and cars…
…and to be consistent, of course. Fair is fair, and safety is always rule 1.
I personally don't think that slow children should be allowed to play in the street. It's just not safe.
Wrong again, Chip
INDOT Standards and Specifications
Division of Materials and Tests
Chapter 36-2.08 Inlets
The term 'inlets' refers to all types of inlets such as grate inlets, curb inlets and slotted inlets. Drainage inlets are sized and located to limit the spread of water on traffic lanes to tolerable widths for the design storm in accordance with the design criteria specified in Section 36-7.0. The width
of water spread on the pavement at sags should not be substantially greater than the width of spread encountered on continuous grades.
Grate inlets and depression of curb opening inlets should be located outside the through traffic lanes to minimize the shifting of vehicles attempting to avoid them. All grate inlets shall be bicycle safe when used on roadways that allow bicycle travel. In general, when grate inlets are used at sag locations, a double curved vane grate should be utilized to compensate for plugging that might occur.
In locations where significant ponding may occur, such as at underpasses or sag vertical curves in depressed sections, it is recommended practice to place flanking inlets on each side of the inlet at the low point in the sag. Review Section 36-9.03 for a discussion on the location of inlets.
That kinda looks like bicycles specifically considered in road design standards to me. I'd bet that's not the only example, just one of the more obvious ones
The infringements are for our own good, then
LeftyGunner
Sharpshooter
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Cool. So we'll just limit bicycle travel to the parts of the road that have grate inlets (i.e. outside the through traffic lanes).Wrong again, Chip
INDOT Standards and Specifications
Division of Materials and Tests
www.in.gov
Chapter 36-2.08 Inlets
The term 'inlets' refers to all types of inlets such as grate inlets, curb inlets and slotted inlets. Drainage inlets are sized and located to limit the spread of water on traffic lanes to tolerable widths for the design storm in accordance with the design criteria specified in Section 36-7.0. The width
of water spread on the pavement at sags should not be substantially greater than the width of spread encountered on continuous grades.
Grate inlets and depression of curb opening inlets should be located outside the through traffic lanes to minimize the shifting of vehicles attempting to avoid them. All grate inlets shall be bicycle safe when used on roadways that allow bicycle travel. In general, when grate inlets are used at sag locations, a double curved vane grate should be utilized to compensate for plugging that might occur.
In locations where significant ponding may occur, such as at underpasses or sag vertical curves in depressed sections, it is recommended practice to place flanking inlets on each side of the inlet at the low point in the sag. Review Section 36-9.03 for a discussion on the location of inlets.
That kinda looks like bicycles specifically considered in road design standards to me. I'd bet that's not the only example, just one of the more obvious ones
If all you have are regulations around shoulders and curbs of roads (you know, that part that says that such grate inlets shall be located outside the through traffic lanes), you're basically making my point.
"Indeed, bicycles are not explicitly considered in road design."Cool. So we'll just limit bicycle travel to the parts of the road that have grate inlets (i.e. outside the through traffic lanes).
If all you have are regulations around shoulders and curbs of roads (you know, that part that says that such grate inlets shall be located outside the through traffic lanes), you're basically making my point.
That is precisely what you said, and you want people to only go by what you explicitly say and not make further inferences and your statement included no limitations or qualifications. Are you arguing that what I listed, with citations, is not an explicit consideration in road design?
So you are unequivocally wrong, explicitly can't admit it and then throw in a red herring for good measure. Retcon indeed
NHT3
Grandmaster
It appears you have more than one person making your point without realizing they are making your point.. I give up, I'm so confused.Cool. So we'll just limit bicycle travel to the parts of the road that have grate inlets (i.e. outside the through traffic lanes).
If all you have are regulations around shoulders and curbs of roads (you know, that part that says that such grate inlets shall be located outside the through traffic lanes), you're basically making my point.
I expected that everyone understood that interstates have their own laws and it didn’t need to be pointed out but alas it should have been…
In fairness, the “ slow children” signs are to warn that children do stupid things, like chase their ball into the street, not so much that they play in traffic
It is because motorists do not take their responsibility seriously to drive and not eat, text, read, or just space out while driving.
Who is advocating that “others to take responsibility for one’s own safety”?
We’ll just hit a cyclist riding on the road and use this excuse in court when they bankrupt you…
Hatin Since 87
Bacon Hater
This thread isnt even supposed to be a debate. Its literally titled as a question. So why ask a question, then debate the answer? People hate cyclists for various reasons provided. Debate why they hate them if you want, but it doesnt make the hate any less.
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