Daylight Saving Time

[BigBoxaJunk]

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We need DST like we need a hole in the head. - Terry Kath

 

[Ingomike]

That map is a perfect illustration of just how arbitrary the whole thing is.

To me the map is the opposite of arbitrary, the state did not force a one size fits for the whole state and provided an option to areas served by cities in the central time zone.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I am in CST why?

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Imagine waking up for work at 7, driving to work, and showing up at 6:45

What a stupid zone

 

[foszoe]

To me the map....

Practicing humility. My eyes are moist.

 

[ditcherman]

Imagine waking up for work at 7, driving to work, and showing up at 6:45

What a stupid zone

Well a few weeks ago I flew out of Indy landed at Steamboat and was on the slopes and had a 15,000’ afternoon.
That’s how time zones should work, for fun!

 

[jkaetz]

No one ever can “save” daylight. However the master schedule can be shifted to allow more daylight in the evening, a thing people love as much as they love complaining about changing clocks…

As we are on the westmost portion of the eastern timezone, I don't need daylight until 10 PM.

If you stay up late or get up early any other day or night of the year, are you screwed for the next week? Have you ever gone on a vacation to an area in another time zone?

That's one day. Changing your circadian rhythm takes much longer. I travel to the west coast a couple times/year and it takes several days to even start adjusting to the new cycle.

 

[HoughMade]

Something I posted elsewhere a few years ago:

"Let’s get one thing straight- Daylight Saving Time was not created for farming. Farmers care about sunlight NOT THE TIME ON THE CLOCK. They are going to do what they need to do when it needs to be done regardless of what a clock reads. I keep hearing local news people saying that it was for the farmers. That makes absolutely no sense. Widespread acceptance of Daylight Saving Time had more to do with industrial workers who had set work hours."

 

[Ingomike]

As we are on the westmost portion of the eastern timezone, I don't need daylight until 10 PM.

There is no “daylight until 10 PM”. The latest sunset in Indy is 9:16 and that runs for about 30 days beginning about June 10th. Civil twilight ends at about 9:50.

As I have said repeatedly in this thread, there is no good time for Indy because we only have two choices, to be the early bird, meaning having among the earliest sunrises in the country or the night owl having among the later sunsets in the country. That is the result of your point that we are the west edge of eastern or the east edge of central.

 

[Ingomike]

Something I posted elsewhere a few years ago:

"Let’s get one thing straight- Daylight Saving Time was not created for farming. Farmers care about sunlight NOT THE TIME ON THE CLOCK. They are going to do what they need to do when it needs to be done regardless of what a clock reads.

I do not think it as true as you seem to believe, I’m sure some feel just as you do but that thinking seems to me to come from old school farming, not modern computerized, connected farming, that is networking to buy, sell, and procure supplies. They have to do business with the rest of society. I suspect they are as divide as we are…

I keep hearing local news people saying that it was for the farmers. That makes absolutely no sense. Widespread acceptance of Daylight Saving Time had more to do with industrial workers who had set work hours."

Are they interviewing farmers that agree? I agree it was more for the suburban life than rural, but now a lot of rural is just as connected as everywhere else…

 

[foszoe]

There is no “daylight until 10 PM”. The latest sunset in Indy is 9:16 and that runs for about 30 days beginning about June 10th. Civil twilight ends at about 9:50.

At sunset tonight, stand outside and let me know if, at the precise moment of sunset, there is no daylight.

It's daylight until 1001

 

[ditcherman]

There is no “daylight until 10 PM”. The latest sunset in Indy is 9:16 and that runs for about 30 days beginning about June 10th. Civil twilight ends at about 9:50.

That’s what he said. Roughly. It’s light til 10.

 

[Ingomike]

At sunset tonight, stand outside and let me know if, at the precise moment of sunset, there is no daylight.

It's daylight until 1001

Try recharging your solar lights at 10 pm any day of the year and let me know how that works out for you…

 

[foszoe]

Try recharging your solar lights at 10 pm any day of the year and let me know how that works out for you…

Just to prove you wrong, I will put them on a 500 ft tower.

 

[Ingomike]

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That’s what he said. Roughly. It’s light til 10.

That is not what he said. He said “I don't need daylight until 10 PM.” There is no daylight at 10 pm. You know this but I will tell you anyway. When the sun sets at 9:16 pm it gets appreciably darker and it gradually gets darker until 9:50 when it is full dark. It is not light at 10 pm.

 

[ditcherman]

I do not think it as true as you seem to believe, I’m sure some feel just as you do but that thinking seems to me to come from old school farming, not modern computerized, connected farming, that is networking to buy, sell, and procure supplies.

What are you even talking about?

If there’s one thing farmers don’t believe in, it’s just in time delivery.
If we’re interacting with people it’s because they’re up the hours with us.

They have to do business with the rest of society. I suspect they are as divide as we are…

No.
You’re spitballing here.
When I say “no” I am not.

Are they interviewing farmers that agree? I agree it was more for the suburban life than rural, but now a lot of rural is just as connected as everywhere else…

 

[Mij]

Something I posted elsewhere a few years ago:

"Let’s get one thing straight- Daylight Saving Time was not created for farming. Farmers care about sunlight NOT THE TIME ON THE CLOCK. They are going to do what they need to do when it needs to be done regardless of what a clock reads. I keep hearing local news people saying that it was for the farmers. That makes absolutely no sense. Widespread acceptance of Daylight Saving Time had more to do with industrial workers who had set work hours."

Don’t know for sure but I believe it was Mitch and his desire to align Ind. with the Chicago markets. Like the CME. Again that’s just what I think YMMV.

 

[Ingomike]

What are you even talking about?

If there’s one thing farmers don’t believe in, it’s just in time delivery.
If we’re interacting with people it’s because they’re up the hours with us.

No.
You’re spitballing here.
When I say “no” I am not.

Good for you! You are now all farmers…

 

[Ingomike]

Don’t know for sure but I believe it was Mitch and his desire to align Ind. with the Chicago markets. Like the CME. Again that’s just what I think YMMV.

He wanted to have the state permanently aligned with the country, not aligned with Chicago all summer and NY in the winter.

 

[HoughMade]

Don’t know for sure but I believe it was Mitch and his desire to align Ind. with the Chicago markets. Like the CME. Again that’s just what I think YMMV.

I've never lived anywhere that didn't have DST. The first 24 years in Michigan and the past 29 years in the Region. To align with Chicago, which we are in the Region, it would require being on Central time.

 

[chipbennett]

There is no “daylight until 10 PM”. The latest sunset in Indy is 9:16 and that runs for about 30 days beginning about June 10th. Civil twilight ends at about 9:50.

As I have said repeatedly in this thread, there is no good time for Indy because we only have two choices, to be the early bird, meaning having among the earliest sunrises in the country or the night owl having among the later sunsets in the country. That is the result of your point that we are the west edge of eastern or the east edge of central.

First, civil twilight ending at 9:50PM means that, yes, there is daylight until about 10:00PM. (Not even I'm pedantic enough to quibble over 10 minutes in this context.)

Second, even during nautical twilight, it is generally/often still light enough outside that artificial light isn't necessarily required. It isn't until astronomical twilight that artificial light is generally needed.
At the time of year that civil twilight ends at 9:50, nautical twilight extends until 10:30.

Of all the arguments in favor of DST, this isn't one of the good ones.