Trump 2024 ???

[KG1]

Idunno. That's going a bit far I think. The media has made a paper mache monster out of him, but he did help provide the molding. I don't know what you mean by him being finished economically. I think he'll always be rich, at least until stake holder capitalism is fully implemented. Then the system will crush everyone who isn't towing the line.

Is he a fool? Not completely. He's foolish on some things, which I guess makes him a fool at least a little, but I think overall not. My beef with Trump is this:

1. the whole "I saved people's lives by helping deliver a vaccine in record time that turned out not to work as promised, and is actually dangerous." Trump can go **** a tree on that.
2. His strong personality could be useful, but is undermined by his ego.
3. EO's that revealed his underlying thoughts on the 2A. "We take the guns first, then due process."
4. He's not the person we need right now. He'll work as a stand-in if there's no one better. If no one better, it only demonstrates the desperation of the times we're in.

Trump can go **** a tree. If he did would he try to get an NDA to keep the tree from talking? Did he grab the tree by the pu**y and try to have his way with a married tree?

 

[KG1]

Why is he never out in front of Trump on any issue of importantance nationally? Why can't he articulate how his priorities are different from Trump's?

My personal opinion is he doesn't want to take risks, which is a form of playing it safe not leadership

But if there isn't any actual daylight between him and Trump then I'd rather have Coke than New Coke

My point is that I think it's being a bit disingenuous to suggest that DeSantis doesn't ascribe to AF polices when he has for many years.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You don't even have to scroll to the end. Just load the last page.

Sometimes I do. Sometimes I give a cursory glance at what everyone is fussing about today.

 

[jamil]

I believe DeSantis actually managed to flip districts that were once thought to be unachievable. I would contend his leadership did indeed make a difference and he did a competent job of leadership during the hurricanes as well.

I think the handling of the Hurricane recovery had a lot to do with the election success for Republicans. It kinda goes to what Bug said about how just improving lives can make such a difference. FL had as much negative press or more on DeSantis as any Republican governor. But people experience the well executed disaster recovery and the woke whining about “don’t say gay” bills are just less important.

 

[jamil]

Mutatis mutandis

To me, Trump commands the room and it seems like DeSantis doesn't think he should have to

It's 'short attention span theatre', if he can't grab his audience pretty quickly he doesn't seem to realize he won't grab them at all

I don’t think Desantis thinks he doesn’t have to. It’s that he can’t. It’s a problem for him. Like I said, Trump has a big personality and DeSantis has his work cut out for him.

 

[jamil]

Trump can go **** a tree. If he did would he try to get an NDA to keep the tree from talking? Did he grab the tree by the pu**y and try to have his way with a married tree?

I hadn’t thought about all that. But yeah.

 

[BugI02]

My point is that I think it's being a bit disingenuous to suggest that DeSantis doesn't ascribe to AF polices when he has for many years.

Then I would think he would say so, yes?

Edit: He's a declared, national candidate now. What is his position on restoring, critical manufacturing (like needed drugs and PPP) or where to go with the war in Ukraine (including dialing down the risk of nuclear war) or climate change or any of a host of other issues people outside of Florida are interested in. Heck, does he still think Puerto Rico should be a state. Does he think deep state actors who broke the law should be brought into the dock, what about breaking up the FBI and distributing its functions to other existing LEO yada yada

 

[BugI02]

I don’t think Desantis thinks he doesn’t have to. It’s that he can’t. It’s a problem for him. Like I said, Trump has a big personality and DeSantis has his work cut out for him.

To me, the inability to do that says that he might think people should just recognize his brilliance/wonderfulness straight up

Politician (imperiously): Don't you know who I am?

Security team member: subject has identity issues

 

[jamil]

To me, the inability to do that says that he might think people should just recognize his brilliance/wonderfulness straight up

Politician (imperiously): Don't you know who I am?

Security team member: subject has identity issues

The inability to so that says to me that he would want to play to his strengths. In a debate, having clever answers is a strength that might counteract a big personality. But he has to fight the urge to tell people God sent him.

 

[BugI02]

It's pride month, DeSantis 'blowing his own horn' should be right in the spirit of things

 

[KG1]

The inability to so that says to me that he would want to play to his strengths. In a debate, having clever answers is a strength that might counteract a big personality. But he has to fight the urge to tell people God sent him.

The thing DeSantis has going is that he can articulate well. Every time I've seen him speak whether it's in an interview or at a press briefing, he doesn't miss a beat or pause. He gets right into it and he's on point.

Now If he was only a bit more charismatic, he would definitely be a formidable speaker. It remains to be seen if he can overcome Trumps strengths with his.

He was a JAG in the NAVY so I would imagine he has a fair bit of experience in articulating a case.

 

[KG1]

See this is why it's hard having a serious discussion with you Bug. All you come back with is vitriol.

 

[jamil]

It's pride month, DeSantis 'blowing his own horn' should be right in the spirit of things

If we’re talking about blowing one’s own horn, DJT is first chair self-horn blower. Has he told you lately how many lives he saved by getting the vaccine out to them?

 

[KG1]

If we’re talking about blowing one’s own horn, DJT is first chair self-horn blower. Has he told you lately how many lives he saved by getting the vaccine out to them?

Oh and he says everything he does is "perfect" That's his favorite word.

 

[BugI02]

See this is why it's hard having a serious discussion with you Bug. All you come back with is vitriol.

Trumpers feel your pain

 

[KG1]

You know what I think it is. I think you are concerned that I might get thru to some people that DeSantis just might be worthy of consideration, and he's not as bad as you keep trying to make people believe that he is, and you can't have that.

You know why I think that is because every time I post something positive about RDS you respond with something misleading, vitriolic and snarky about him and do a lot of negative speculating all to try and counteract it.

You do that with pretty much everyone else as well when you even have an inkling that they might dare to post something positive about RDS

I don't do that when others such as yourself post positive things about Trump.

"Trumpers feel your pain" indeed. That's always your canned response when someone calls out your BS. You are the King of that tactic. That's ok because I'll keep coming back with more positives about RDS and I'm sure you'll keep spewing the vitriol. I'm on to your game.

Another shining example of why I can't take you seriously in a discussion. You keep racking them up for everyone to see that you are unable to have a discussion in good faith without the BS.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[KG1]

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Dismiss it all you want act with you cutesy meme but it's the damn truth and people are growing tired of it. If you don't want to see it then don't bother. You don't participate in any of these discussion so you don't experience it.

 

[actaeon277]

Dismiss it all you want act with you cutesy meme but it's the damn truth and people are growing tired of it. If you don't want to see it then don't bother. You don't participate in any of these discussion so you don't experience it.

I didn't see your name anywhere in my post.

Self centered much?

 

[KG1]

I didn't see your name anywhere in my post.

Self centered much?

Not at all. It's awful funny that you posted it after my post. What do you expect?