FFL Alert from ATF - Beech Grove FFL Burglarized

[BigMoose]

The Colt New Service/M1917 is still there too.

They left all the 45s...

Left I think all or most of the NFA items behind the Register. (Which actually aren't all for sale)

Up there on the high wall, on the metal pegs. Those are all NFA goodies. One empty spot.

 

[HoughMade]

IF your doing a private transaction, always, ask for an ID/LTCH and take a pic of it NEXT to the firearm serial number you're buying, for your safety and peace of mind reasons.

I completely understand why you are saying this, but know this.

They people stealing guns from FFLs in well executed burglaries will sell these for far above market value to contacts they already have because they are selling them to people who CANNOT buy through legitimate channels.

If you find a screaming deal from a private seller advertising anywhere....it's sometimes a junky doing burglaries, and there will be signs, but probably not from systematic FFL theft.

 

[BigMoose]

They people stealing guns from FFLs in well executed burglaries will sell these for far above market value to contacts they already have because they are selling them to people who CANNOT buy through legitimate channels.

Ohh these are all headed direct to NE Illinois.

 

[BigMoose]

So, gang bangers dont use 45..

 

[armalitesheepdog]

I'm surprised a gun shop can even get insurance. At least affordable anyway.
Seems the company's would figure the risk isn't worth the premiums

 

[bobzilla]

So, gang bangers dont use 45..

Probably some unwritten rule that they won't use 45's and take peoples souls. That and they might hit what they're shooting at.

 

[DRob]

If I don't know you personally, I will want to see IN DL and LTCH before I sell to you. I will provide receipts for buyers who want one.

On my first experience advertising a gun for sale on INGO, the first response was a full asking price offer but the "buyer" said he would not show me ID and would not sign any paperwork because he wanted a gun with no paper trail to him. If I sell you a gun, any paper trail is not gonna' stop with me. My gun, my rules. I ain't mad at anybody but having access to a forum does not make you a law abiding citizen.

 

[led4thehed2]

This sucks. Surprised the revolver case was cleaned out.

 

[KMaC]

Wouldn't the INGO ad, PM/conversations and feedback provide a trail for LE if something bad happened with the gun?
May be wrong but I assumed they could get access to INGO history and document sale and the parties involved.
Edit: Replying to post 67

 

[BigMoose]

Wouldn't the INGO ad, PM/conversations and feedback provide a trail for LE if something bad happened with the gun?
May be wrong but I assumed they could get access to INGO history and document sale and the parties involved.
Edit: Replying to post 67

Yep

 

[ratames]

Their range burned down. A tracer bullet smoldered in the tires over nigh

Pretty sure it was BGF's range that burned down for that reason...

That's correct. But some thugs did drive a car into the side of Indy Trading Post, which is not in Beech Grove by the way, and "liberated" several firearms and ammo from the store.

 

[yeti rider]

How many firearms have our 3-letter agencies lost, misplaced, or had stolen (not to mention various shady deals like Op Fast & Furious) over the years?

Do as they say, not as they do.

 

[Route 45]

So, gang bangers dont use 45..

I think they just hit the two cases closest to the door. I'm sure there was no thought into caliber or type. Otherwise, they would have left the wheelguns in the case and hit the Glock, Sig and M&P cases, which you can't see in these pics. Story said that about 30 guns were stolen, which is probably the content of the two cases that are shown busted. They left the NFA guns on the wall as well, so not exactly discriminating shoppers. Can't tell if they grabbed any ARs or AKs, they are on another wall, not pictured.

 

[Route 45]

They seriously don't clean those cases out and lock everything in a safe at night?

Always someone blaming the victim.

 

[BigMoose]

I think they just hit the two cases closest to the door. I'm sure there was no thought into caliber or type. Otherwise, they would have left the wheelguns in the case and hit the Glock, Sig and M&P cases, which you can't see in these pics. Story said that about 30 guns were stolen, which is probably the content of the two cases that are shown busted. They left the NFA guns on the wall as well, so not exactly discriminating shoppers. Can't tell if they grabbed any ARs or AKs, they are on another wall, not pictured.

I think you mean the "Blue Star" case in the back right corner.. They set aside a case with firearms for law enforcement purchases only. (Which are Glock, Sig and M&P mostly)

But the front two cases do usually have some Glock, Sig and M&P for the rest of us to buy.

If you look, there are some loose guns from the two smashed cases atop the 3rd case.. probably the oddball 380s and whatever that are in the two smashed cases.

 

[COOPADUP]

The estimates are roughly 30 or so handguns. The theft took them 40 seconds according to WIBC.
This is the point of entry that they rammed the stolen/car jacked SUV into.

 

[BigMoose]

That's correct. But some thugs did drive a car into the side of Indy Trading Post, which is not in Beech Grove by the way, and "liberated" several firearms and ammo from the store.

I can think of four times the smash and grab has been used.

Indy
Law Guns (LE Guns) on Shelby. (now long gone)
Indy Trading Post (closed down)
500 Guns.

Not Indy.
Some place up north, HILLSIDE.
The bangers made off with a 50 cal sans bolt there.

 

[Route 45]

I think you mean the "Blue Star" case in the back right corner.. They set aside a case with firearms for law enforcement purchases only. (Which are Glock, Sig and M&P mostly)

But the front two cases do usually have some Glock, Sig and M&P for the rest of us to buy.

If you look, there are some loose guns from the two smashed cases atop the 3rd case.. probably the oddball 380s and whatever that are in the two smashed cases.

Nope. I am very familiar with this shop. There is a Glock specific case, a Sig specific case and an M&P specific case, all separate from the Blue Label and Blue Star case. They don't keep Glocks, Sigs or M&Ps in the cases that were busted.

 

[BigMoose]

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The estimates are roughly 30 or so handguns. The theft took them 40 seconds according to WIBC.
This is the point of entry that they rammed the stolen/car jacked SUV into.

Yeah, could have been stopped with one bollard in that gap...

BGF clearly made an attempt with the flowerboxes and the battleship shells (Yes those are REAL training battleship shells).. but clearly this wasn't thought through..

Defenses are important, but measure and think them through!

 

[BigMoose]

Always someone blaming the victim.

I dont think anyone is blaming a victim. But it is obvious that an attempt was made to prevent a smash and grab, and they didn't quite get it right.. as the vehicle just cleared the flowerboxes and the battleship shells

I am going to go out and assume it would take $1000 bucks to bury and place a ram proof bollard there...
It would have prevented tens of thousands worth of theft and damage.