Multiple victims reported in Nashville, TN school shooting

[MCgrease08]

I read where these people suffer (something like) 45% suicide rates. Maybe off there but it’s far, far higher than any other group. It’s higher than the Jews in the concentration camps experienced. They’re killing themselves. Our society is convincing them they don’t need help, just chemicals and surgeries.

As I understand it, this is more in line with the "genocide" rhetoric.

The confused thinking is that if we don't allow someone to "affirm" their new gender they will commit suicide. So when they say things like, 'these laws will kill trans people,' what they really mean is trans people will likely kill themselves. And they ignore the fact that "transitioning" doesn't really impact the suicide rate.

 

[Doug]

Which is the intent. If they will only transition, all their demons will be gone. And if you DONT allow them to transition, you guarantee their deaths.

Sorry, no. If they have demons now, they will have the same demons afterward.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Fixed it for you.

Meh. My point was they would start with 4 demons, and afterward only have 3.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Meh. My point was they would start with 4 demons, and afterward only have 3.

Dunno, I think they'd most often end up with more. Mutilating and/or disfiguring the body God gave you isn't a great recipe for getting rid of demons, whether literal or figurative.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Dunno, I think they'd most often end up with more. Mutilating and/or disfiguring the body God gave you isn't a great recipe for getting rid of demons, whether literal or figurative.

Just humoring them and following their logic to point out how flawed it is.

 

[Shadow01]

I believe the genocide they speak of isn’t an active bloody one like in Iran where they throw you off a building if they find out you are gay.

I believe their warped minds believe that preventing transition is “killing” them as a trans person. To use a recognizable name, It’s not that you are killing Bruce Jenner. You are killing Kaitlyn because you won’t let her true self exist.

At least that’s the only shred of logic I can come up with to justify the use of that word. And that they consider their old “biological” self dead post transition.

EDIT: And they sometimes consider calling them by their old name violence, and want to outlaw "deadnaming". Some complicit orgs consider deadnaming an actionable offense for their employees.

”Bruce“ has the right to believe he is what ever he wants to be. He doesn’t have the right to force me to believe he is Kaitlyn or refer to him as Kaitlyn. This movement is about being able to force you and I to think, believe, and pronounce what they want, not what you want and believe.

 

[ghuns]

The tone deafness of this administration continues to one-up itself...

 

[Cameramonkey]

The tone deafness of this administration continues to one-up itself...

In related news, How dare you hurt that bully's fist when they punched you in the face! How rude!

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I read where these people suffer (something like) 45% suicide rates. Maybe off there but it’s far, far higher than any other group. It’s higher than the Jews in the concentration camps experienced. They’re killing themselves. Our society is convincing them they don’t need help, just chemicals and surgeries.

I did a little research on this and that 45% number is from a broader LGBTQ study that included only 27 transexuals and the suicide attempts of 13 of those.

It's widely used by those with a "trans agenda", even thought the study's author has indicated that there wasn't a large enough population, it wasn't a randomly selected population, and did not control for those who also were gay and/or clinically depressed.... both of those populations have something like 10-13 times higher suicide attempt risks than the general population. Also, it DID NOT identify if those were pre- or post- transition and whether or not transitioning had any effect or not on suicide tendencies.

It's widely used to convince/coerce parents, "would you rather have a dead boy or an alive girl?"

These are definitely very troubled individuals, but that number is not supportable. No idea what the "real" number is.

 

[Dechrissen]

And how will you do so, without guns, you straw hat-wearing doofus?

 

[Twangbanger]

All the same trauma that causes mental illness existed then. The Great Depression, ww2, the Cold War, korea, Vietnam, etc. the 60’s had the Texas school shootings, mlk jr, the Kennedy brothers, how many times did they try to get Ronald Reagan? The stones even have a song called mother’s little helper that’s about moms using pills to get through the day. All before 1988. I don’t think blaming ssri’s is the answer. Serial killers have been around forever. Some people just aren’t right and never will be but doctors try and help by giving out pills. Before you’d send them away to live in a mental asylum or get a lobotomy.

I personally don’t want more gun laws that would prohibit firearm ownership to anyone who takes a pill. Losing rights will stop people from seeking medical help when they need it, and will turn dr’s into judge’s. I don’t disagree that pills cover up the problem but that’s true of almost all medications. They don’t want you to get better because they’d lose customers.

I still think the social fabric is torn, the media has everyone at each other’s throats if they have a different opinion. People don’t help their neighbor. We live in a society that only cares about themselves, instead of a society that looks after each other. Imo video killed the radio star and our social structure. Instead of going outside and playing in a social group, kids are staying inside and cursing each other out on video games because there’s no repercussions. No repercussions leads to everyone thinking they can do whatever they want.

In your first paragraph, you're proving my point for me. All kinds of trauma existed before 1988. But one thing didn't exist before 1988 (when antidepressants were FDA approved) - school shootings. Something changed right about then, and it wasn't traumatic stimuli, and it wasn't gun rights, or per-capita levels of gun ownership.

I'm not sure if you realized it or not, but you changed the subject when you started talking about serial killers. That is not the same thing, and not what's being discussed here. Serial killers perceive a sort of value in their lives, and try to avoid detection so they can continue their existence and do what they apparently enjoy, which is to kill. Previously functional children becoming suicidal, spiraling into homicidal rage, making their last social media post, and shooting up schools with the intention of being "done and out," is not the same. It seems avoidable, with the right focus, at the right time in the child's life.

My contention is that our way of approaching emotionally disturbed kids changed when antidepressants came on the market. Either intentionally or unintentionally, we moved from a therapy model to more of a pharmaceutical one. Either intentionally or unintentionally, we provided parents of troubled kids an "easy way out" with less stigma attached to it, which was to use Antidepressants to cover up their kid's symptoms. The parents don't even need to interact with a psychiatrist to get the prescription. It basically amounts to a self-medication strategy, with little psychiatric oversight. This has the effect of kicking the can down the road until the kid gets older and erupts into a public threat, which is too late.

I don't know where you got the impression I was saying we should eliminate gun rights for people taking antidepressants. I do think the specific case of _children_ being prescribed antidepressants should be treated with greater care by society. They can be prescribed - even to children - by a family practitioner with no licensing in the specialty of mental health. And as JCSR notes above - and as I've heard from many others - many general practitioners suggest these drugs to patients with little more consideration than cough syrup. Combined with the fact that some schools have an official policy of deferring any criminal charges for even violent assaults committed at school, it potentially results in a dangerous future criminal having both their symptoms and criminal background covered-up by society because they're children.

 

[MarylandTacomaRider]

This country might as well be renamed “Weimarmecia” at this point!

 

[jamil]

As I understand it, this is more in line with the "genocide" rhetoric.

The confused thinking is that if we don't allow someone to "affirm" their new gender they will commit suicide. So when they say things like, 'these laws will kill trans people,' what they really mean is trans people will likely kill themselves. And they ignore the fact that "transitioning" doesn't really impact the suicide rate.

Not only that, they don’t consider treatment aimed at helping trans people cope with their predicament as valid.

 

[kickbacked]

In your first paragraph, you're proving my point for me. All kinds of trauma existed before 1988. But one thing didn't exist before 1988 (when antidepressants were FDA approved) - school shootings. Something changed right about then, and it wasn't traumatic stimuli, and it wasn't gun rights, or per-capita levels of gun ownership.

I'm not sure if you realized it or not, but you changed the subject when you started talking about serial killers. That is not the same thing, and not what's being discussed here. Serial killers perceive a sort of value in their lives, and try to avoid detection so they can continue their existence and do what they apparently enjoy, which is to kill. Previously functional children becoming suicidal, spiraling into homicidal rage, making their last social media post, and shooting up schools with the intention of being "done and out," is not the same. It seems avoidable, with the right focus, at the right time in the child's life.

My contention is that our way of approaching emotionally disturbed kids changed when antidepressants came on the market. Either intentionally or unintentionally, we moved from a therapy model to more of a pharmaceutical one. Either intentionally or unintentionally, we provided parents of troubled kids an "easy way out" with less stigma attached to it, which was to use Antidepressants to cover up their kid's symptoms. The parents don't even need to interact with a psychiatrist to get the prescription. It basically amounts to a self-medication strategy, with little psychiatric oversight. This has the effect of kicking the can down the road until the kid gets older and erupts into a public threat, which is too late.

I don't know where you got the impression I was saying we should eliminate gun rights for people taking antidepressants. I do think the specific case of _children_ being prescribed antidepressants should be treated with greater care by society. They can be prescribed - even to children - by a family practitioner with no licensing in the specialty of mental health. And as JCSR notes above - and as I've heard from many others - many general practitioners suggest these drugs to patients with little more consideration than cough syrup. Combined with the fact that some schools have an official policy of deferring any criminal charges for even violent assaults committed at school, it potentially results in a dangerous future criminal having both their symptoms and criminal background covered-up by society because they're children.

What else came out in the 90’s? Violent video games. School shooters, serial killers, a nut is a nut to me. Serial killers don’t want to be caught so they can continue but serial killers seem to be older. I may be wrong but I don’t see many gen y,z people ending up as serial killers. This is subjective but is it because we live in a society of wanting instant satisfaction. We are now in a time of wanting to go viral for what you do. Is this an evolution of the nutcases? Just spitballing here, I don’t have the answers.

I’m not saying you’re advocating for gun rights to be taken but realistically that’s the next step if we blame them without actual scientific evidence. The red flag laws already are guilty until proven innocent. If we just blame pills then that snowballs into legislation that prohibits firearm ownership. They have done that with weed. People in Hawaii were stripped of their firearms because they got a medical card.

When I applied for my ltch years ago I was denied because I took a medication that was made for people with bipolar disorder. I was prescribed it at a fraction of the normal dose to help me sleep. I didn’t want to lie so I put it down and included a written note from my dr. that I wasn’t a threat to myself or others and why I was taking it. I was still automatically refused. I had to call and go through the appeal process. Luckily I got a really nice leo that took time to look it over and clear me. If not for him I would’ve had to get a lawyer and fight for my rights.

I still believe this is the results of a ripped social fabric from the inability to get along with others with different views and the ability to start fights on the internet without repercussions. Society today lacks the social skills that it once had, people feel alone even in a community and learn how to socialize via Internet which doesn’t translate to the real world.

 

[jamil]

Just because something is good for some or even many, doesn’t mean it’s all good for everyone. Just because something is bad for some doesn’t mean it’s bad for everyone.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The rules keep changing.

 

[BigRed]

From the article:
Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale’s manifesto is set to be released to the public after the FBI and its highly skilled team of criminal profilers analyze its contents, a Nashville City Council member revealed to The Post.

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Yep....you cannot analyze it after it's released.

Scum of the scum.

 

[BigRed]

Hey garland....Go **** yourself.

 

[BigRed]

The rules keep changing.

But...but...but the media isn't biased.

**** sucking ********.

 

[Ark]

Yep....you cannot analyze it after it's released.

Scum of the scum.

These are the same people who told you it took six years of secrecy to determine that Stephen Paddock was "mad at the casinos".