Official 2024 POTUS Election Thread

[BigRed]

I am afraid Tom overestimated the American people.

I've not read that quote in Jefferson's writings. Could be there. Perhaps not.

I do suspect Jefferson sized up folks better than most.

 

[BigRed]

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I've not read that quote in Jefferson's writings. Could be there. Perhaps not.

I do suspect Jefferson sized up folks better than most.

Doubt the "Declaration of Indepence" was a very popular truth when it was written.

Liberty is not popular.

 

[KG1]

Doubt the "Declaration of Indepence" was a very popular truth when it was written.

Liberty is not popular.

Give me Liberty or give me death was a bold defiant statement. Unfortunately, not many have those same convictions.

 

[BigRed]

Give me Liberty or give me death was a bold defiant statement. Unfortunately, not many have those same convictions.

Indeed.

Patrick Henry was cut from even yet another cloth.

 

[bwframe]

Woke, Inc. Author Vivek Ramaswamy ‘Strongly Considering’ Run for President | National Review

The millionaire entrepreneur said he’s contemplating running to address an ‘identity crisis’ that has left Americans hungry for purpose, meaning, and identity.

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Anti-woke, anti-ESG, anti-identity politics.
Independence from China.
Not sure about his stance on America's rifle.

The guy is a super smart commentator on all the FNC shows. From what I have seen, an impressive fellow. I have FNC on in the background or on mute most of the time. If it happens I catch Vivek on, I make it a point to listen. His financial prowess is spot on.

I cannot recall him commenting on the 2A. Obviously that would make all the difference.

 

[bwframe]

Woke, Inc. Author Vivek Ramaswamy ‘Strongly Considering’ Run for President | National Review

The millionaire entrepreneur said he’s contemplating running to address an ‘identity crisis’ that has left Americans hungry for purpose, meaning, and identity.

www.nationalreview.com

Anti-woke, anti-ESG, anti-identity politics.
Independence from China.
Not sure about his stance on America's rifle.

He is from Ohio... but if you can get past that.

Haven't found anything solid on the 2A yet, but shutting down the FBI is quite encouraging to hear...

 

[wtburnette]

Like that would ever happen with this POS "President".

 

[Ingomike]

Give me Liberty or give me death was a bold defiant statement. Unfortunately, not many have those same convictions.

I have also observed that the very definition of liberty, that virtually all members of INGO would agree on has a different definition for younger generations.

Liberty today seems to be defined as free stuff…

 

[KG1]

I have also observed that the very definition of liberty, that virtually all members of INGO would agree on has a different definition for younger generations.

Liberty today seems to be defined as free stuff…

Give me free stuff or I will cry and protest until you do.

 

[KG1]

Woke, Inc. Author Vivek Ramaswamy ‘Strongly Considering’ Run for President | National Review

The millionaire entrepreneur said he’s contemplating running to address an ‘identity crisis’ that has left Americans hungry for purpose, meaning, and identity.

www.nationalreview.com

Anti-woke, anti-ESG, anti-identity politics.
Independence from China.
Not sure about his stance on America's rifle.

He is from Ohio... but if you can get past that.

We have another hat in the ring.

 

[JEBland]

Haven't found anything solid on the 2A yet, but shutting down the FBI is quite encouraging to hear...

End the bureaucratic bloat (kill the administrative state)... sounds like end the BATFE, etc to me.

 

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Rep Boebert Reacts to The Supreme Court Victories

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[BugI02]

End the bureaucratic bloat (kill the administrative state)... sounds like end the BATFE, etc to me.

Same problem as Trump or even DeSantis, president can't do much without lots of help in congress sympathetic to his vision

Promise them anything, deliver the same old ****

 

[JEBland]

Same problem as Trump or even DeSantis, president can't do much without lots of help in congress sympathetic to his vision

Promise them anything, deliver the same old ****

Agreed, but the Pres. can push the discussion dramatically. I wondered why Trump didn't use the platform to push the congress more; for example, he said he'd drain the swamp and make congress put limits on whne they can become lobbyists after leaving congress. Obviously he couldn't write bills, but why not take the time to drive the point home prior to the midterms and put pressure on campaigns to include a (possibly empty) promise of introducing such legislation?

We can see the talking points of Biden and the current admin completely captured by the far-left pseudoprogressives. (And it's not that "compassionate" Republican don't trade reality for emotional manipulation <- purposeful double negative)

To be fair to Trump: Even anti-Trumpers can admit that his policies were far more moderate than the played-out soundbites and while the non-Fox MSM bends over backwards to justify Biden, they were equally flexible to demonize Trump.

A return to the path of federalism would be a welcome change to me. The federal government can't even get a handle on their own legal immigration processes, why on God's green Earth should we expand their reach into areas where they have no constitutional grounds? (Rhetorical; Not an accusation that you, Bug, support that expansion.)


Anyway. The post was not an endorsement of Ramaswamy. But I am far more interested in the Republican debates for 2024 than I was in 2016.

 

[Ingomike]

I wondered why Trump didn't use the platform to push the congress more; for example, he said he'd drain the swamp and make congress put limits on whne they can become lobbyists after leaving congress. Obviously he couldn't write bills, but why not take the time to drive the point home prior to the midterms and put pressure on campaigns to include a (possibly empty) promise of introducing such legislation?

I dunno, maybe fighting personal lawsuits and impeachments is the drain on the ability of an individual to function as efficiently as they might if not involved in such fights?

 

[Ingomike]

The federal government can't even get a handle on their own legal immigration processes,

Does this presuppose that the feds actually want to?

 

[manifest destiny]

The federal government can't even get a handle on their own legal immigration processes,

I think your full comment was fair with two caveats, one Ingomike addressed in post 196. There second is the above. I'm convinced the fed writ large is fully capable of adhering and enforcing written immigration laws. The fed simply chooses to ignore their own laws. The fed doesn't just allow illegal immigration they encourage it, subsidize it and directly engage in illegal activities related to illegal immigration. The fed literally supply resources via money, housing, transportation, etc. to persons who are, by federal legal definitions, criminals. It's disgraceful and treasonous. Anyway, just my rant not directed at you personally. It's directed at the federal United States government that works directly against legal American citizens for the benefit of illegal immigrants. And they do it intentionally.

 

[KLB]

I dunno, maybe fighting personal lawsuits and impeachments is the drain on the ability of an individual to function as efficiently as they might if not involved in such fights?

Seems like he's always either being sued or suing someone. That's why he has all those lawyers.

 

[Ingomike]

Seems like he's always either being sued or suing someone. That's why he has all those lawyers.

A quick search reveals that he has always been a lightning rod for lawsuits for sure. A look at all the suits by and against him, his companies, and family seem to indicate to me that after the 2016 election there was a strategy on the left to handcuff him and his administration with lawsuits…