New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

[d.kaufman]

By adding more than double the length to it...

"more power" ?
I guess the same as if I put chrome valve covers on my chevy V8, it makes at least 20% more horsepower.

Come on now. We all know flipping the air cleaner lid upside down increased power by 20%. Chrome valve covers only increased hp by 10%

 

[tackdriver]

CRA was enacted in 1996, originated by Newt Gingrich, and signed into law by Clinton.
Requires a Joint Resolution, passing both House and Senate - has method to go around Senate Filibuster/Cloture Rule.
Must be signed by POTUS, allowed to pass into effect without signature, or vetoed.
Requires 2/3 veto override in House and Senate if POTUS vetoes it.

You'll never get it past a presidential veto even if you do get it through the Senate. However, it could signal Congressional disapproval of it to the courts.

Lengthy details on CRA can be read here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Review_Act

Well Crap!!! I knew I must be missing something.

That's what I get for believing the Internet.

If you're right, thanks for the correction!

 

[Basher]

There is so much confusion and ******** going on around the ATF’s absolute 180 on braces/pistols that literally thousands of people are going to get effed. This is a charlie foxtrot of a circus if I’ve ever seen one.

FATF, give them nothing. Dollars to donuts this crap gets challenged in court and struck down.

 

[jwamplerusa]

FATF, give them nothing.

This. Zero their funding, all of it, with a provision in the budget that no one who was ever employed at ATF may ever again be paid from the Treasury.

 

[Combat Engineer]

Wonder when they will call this a SBR?

 

[manifest destiny]

Lots of bloviation by the R's while they know the Occupier won't sign any legislation they produce. Same **** they pulled with O'bummercare. The brace is legal. The gun is legal. The brace and the gun together = felony prosecution if you're lucky enough to live through the no-knock raid. This after the ATF spent years allowing such gun/brace. Absurd doesn't even get close to describing this "rule". It's an affront to legitimate governance.

 

[Aszerigan]

At USDS in Bloomington today and they were going over their Q/A they had with the ATF on Monday.
I had asked them some questions to check on and they had a huge list for clarification.

One I did not expect was mounting a scope or magnifier on a pistol can now be considered a SBR. Only pistol length eye relief scopes or unlimited eye relief such as holos and red dots are OK.

To be clear holosight on pistol OK by ATF, add a magnifier now its a SBR and a felony if not registered as such.

Someone can probably come along and explain this better, but this is straight from the ATF PowerPoint they were shown.

Just a polite heads up .....

That's correct. Any optic that has an eye relief at the standard rifle length of pull is a no-no. Standard optics - red dots and pistol scopes are fine.

 

[bsmithg19]

Valid question I've not seen anyone talk about. Let's say one registers for said amnesty pistol and the courts reject the rule. Will that cancel out the registration, or will they still approve those who apply?

 

[bobzilla]

Valid question I've not seen anyone talk about. Let's say one registers for said amnesty pistol and the courts reject the rule. Will that cancel out the registration, or will they still approve those who apply?

I guarantee the registration will never go away. You may not need their stamp anymore but the .gov will have a nice list of firearms and who owns them

 

[Vimace]

That's correct. Any optic that has an eye relief at the standard rifle length of pull is a no-no. Standard optics - red dots and pistol scopes are fine.

English please ? Lol



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[Cameramonkey]

English please ? Lol



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if you can see through the optic at arms length, GTG. If you have to put your eye up to it, no-go.

OK:

IF you have to get this close, PMITA Prison:

 

[d.kaufman]

So a lpvo on a pistol makes it illegal as well. What a ****ing joke. **** the ATF and Lets go Brandon

 

[Route 45]

Who gives a ****? They don't even charge people for having Glock switches.

 

[DDadams]

Who gives a ****? They don't even charge people for having Glock switches.

The law abiding citizens are the ones who care because they're the only ones who get charged. The felons running around with their felony glocks + felony switches never get charged, as you mentioned. Only us.

Makes me wonder what the point is?

I could sit at home and get Brandon to pay all my bills and living expenses and get full auto handguns and not be bothered by the ATF? Or go to work every day at 2x full time jobs and should someone see an LPVO on a pistol I get it all taken away and go to prison now?

I feel I'm on the wrong side of the receiving end.

 

[Route 45]

The law abiding citizens are the ones who care because they're the only ones who get charged.

Prove it. Find me a case where a "law-abiding citizen" was charged with a single count of possession of an SBR because he had an LVPO on a pistol.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Prove it. Find me a case where a "law-abiding citizen" was charged with a single count of possession of an SBR because he had an LVPO on a pistol.

Really? Its been a thing literally 24-ish hours. SMH

 

[d.kaufman]

Prove it. Find me a case where a "law-abiding citizen" was charged with a single count of possession of an SBR because he had an LVPO on a pistol.

Don't think that's possible since, from my understanding, it's part of the newest atf ********

Cameramonkey beat me to it

 

[Sigblitz]

Makes me wonder what the point is?

Gun owner? We'll fix that.
Non gun owner stopped by TSA, or prohibited? Not our agenda.

 

[jsx1043]

if you can see through the optic at arms length, GTG. If you have to put your eye up to it, no-go.

OK:

IF you have to get this close, PMITA Prison:

But it would be a federal PMITA prison, so it would be like a country club…

 

[Route 45]

Don't think that's possible since, from my understanding, it's part of the newest atf ********

Cameramonkey beat me to it

If an LVPO on a pistol is an "SBR," then it's always been an SBR. This didn't just get decided yesterday. Where are the cases? Where are the prosecutions?