"My 5 Shot Snubby is Good Enough"

[BehindBlueI's]

You know I don't disagree with that as I push training and practice any chance I get. I just don't think Hardware and software are mutually exclusive.

They aren't, but read the title of the thread and how it was originally focused on hardware. Hence my approach. Everything is something, but nothing is everything. To me, the difference in hardware in this scenario is the difference in picking up pennies in the parking lot as a part of a successful retirement plan.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I agree, sitting in a comfortable chair, drinking a favorite beverage, and typing on a keyboard, most can state what they would do, but in reality it's not likely what will happen.

Followup thought:

This is where realistic Simunitions training can make a real difference. Unfortunately that sort of training is difficult to acquire, and even more difficult to acquire in the open enrollment market.

 

[1nderbeard]

No need to justify buying what I feel is a superior weapon, especially to randos on the internet. They certainly won’t be with me if I ever have to use it.

So why'd you start the thread with a title that you knew people would argue over?

 

[Trapper Jim]

Who wants to be the first 5?

 

[Route 45]

So why'd you start the thread with a title that you knew people would argue over?

I suppose I just could’ve posted a recipe for rice crispy treats. But what fun would that be?

 

[Expat]

I admit to carrying a 5 shot S&W j frame in an ankle holster to church on occasion.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I admit to carrying a 5 shot S&W j frame in an ankle holster to church on occasion.

You're doing it all wrong. You should open carry one of your AK's, lest you be assaulted by a crazy man on your way to church or even in church. Praise the lord, and pass the ammunition!

 

[Expat]

You're doing it all wrong. You should open carry one of your AK's, lest you be assaulted by a crazy man on your way to church or even in church.

LOL, i was always worried, there used to be some huggers in the congregation, little old ladies. Didnt want to freak them out.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

LOL, i was always worried, there used to be some huggers in the congregation, little old ladies. Didnt want to freak them out.

That's why you open carry the rifle. So you don't have that awkward "Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me" moment.

 

[Ziggidy]

8 posts in and gotta say, take a please. Don't like the thread, keep scrolling.

I don't understand why so many get their panties in a twist nowadays

Not sure if they are called panties any more - I think "thongs" may better. Seems they are more easily twisted? I think.

 

[flatlander]

9mm isn't a problem. I just worked a scene where a bad guy was put down almost instantly with a SINGLE 9mm shot to the chest.

Unpossible! I don't feel under-gunned with either my 6 shot G43 or my EDC 8+1 Ronin .45. Your decision and I'm not really swayed by others opinions. So BFD. Nice video though since the mutt ended up dead.

 

[BugI02]

No need to justify buying what I feel[ing] is a superior weapon

We noticed

 

[Route 45]

Probably would be if anybody said that quote. But if you're assigning it to me what I actually said was "Don't suck fixes a lot of issues."

You seem to also gloss over the whole "If you can carry a bigger gun you shoot better and that has more capacity, great, do it. If you can't, you're way better off with an LCR or j-frame than you are hopes and dreams." I'll carry a duty gun on duty. I'll carry one off duty most of the time...but I won't carry one while jogging. So is my LCR good enough for jogging or am I just wasting my time and going to wind up dead in the streets because a suicide by cop incident had more rounds fired than 5?

So why just blow me off with things I didn't say vs addressing the actual things I brought up? Do you really want a 'teachable moment' on the gun forum or just a drive by revolvers suck post? Why not simply accept that duty guns have a place, single stack concealable guns have a place, pocketable revolvers have a place, rifles have a place, etc instead of "1800s technology" sort of nonsense.

Well, I never really compared snubbies to full size duty pistols. For me, snub nosed revolvers became obsolete the minute the baby Glocks showed up…nevermind the new crop of micro compacts with far slimmer frames and double the capacity of any snubby.

And I never said that being unarmed is better than having a snub…that’s just silly. But the same size gun with a better trigger, better sights, double the capacity? Mo’ better.

But DA revolvers are certainly circa late 1800’s technology. Slicked up in the case of the LCR, sure. But hardly nonsense.

 

[BugI02]

Welllll, since you felt the NEED to quote and respond to my post, please let me retort. Your FEELINGS aside, anybody that needs the www or a u tube video to justify there opinion and cannot make a cognizant argument with (there own) words and or experience doesn’t merit my time debating with. And unless you can produce your CIB or a badge, maybe both, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Most fellows live ordinary lives and do not post bravado about my gun is better than your gun because blah, blah, blah. Sorry I posted, hope I didn’t ruin your day.

Oh, to answer your question, I carry a gun (5 shot smith mostly) for self defense and unfortunately or not, I do know what I’m talking about.

D'accord. I believe it was Bill Jordan who said to be wary of a man who carries a revolver and knows how to use it

 

[TheGhostRider]

I’ve carried a sidearm for over 40 years. I’ve enjoyed seeing the advancements in firearms and ammo technology.
The frequent pissing matches over the size of one’s gun is amusing.
I have Glocks, HKs… some of the best sidearms available to the world.
My company was purchased recently by some folks from Shitcago… and the policy book says no weapons. I now carry a SW 442 every day… discreetly. No more P2K or G26.
I guarantee that no one wants me to use my “inferior” undersized little revolver on them. I’d straight f-em up. 5 rounds of +P… no thanks.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

But DA revolvers are certainly circa late 1800’s technology. Slicked up in the case of the LCR, sure. But hardly nonsense.

Knives are even older technology. Is that relevant in a deadly force encounter? That's the nonsense part.

If you can pocket a baby Glock, you do you. I'd need to raid MC Hammer's closet to do so. Fanny pack carry while jogging I can fit a 43X and do, but the rounded back of the LCR makes it easier to draw without snagging if I don't get the angle as right as I should.

Well, I never really compared snubbies to full size duty pistols.

You have a video of a guy using a duty sized pistol in a thread titled 5 shot snubby enough. Yeah, you did.

And I never said that being unarmed is better than having a snub…that’s just silly. But the same size gun with a better trigger, better sights, double the capacity? Mo’ better.

Better sights is gun to gun, not revolver to semi-auto. I had this argument with Aron several times. My LCR sights are better than many a pocket pistol. Better trigger? As you like. The LCR trigger is close enough to a NY1 Glock trigger to be no different IMO and if the trigger is unmanageble it goes back to don't suck. Capacity? Stipulated. Does it matter? I'm not finding people with dead j-frames in their hands. Did you?

Now, we're in agreement that carrying a bigger gun is a good play if you can. Better, maybe, usually it's a wash but it does give you more options. The whole "is your 5 shot enough" is useless without context and seems designed to discourage people who would carry a 5 shot vs nothing because very very few are carrying a duty sized or even midsized all the time. I'm a cop, you're a retired cop, in a friendly state with no penalties for 'getting made'. Not everyone lives that life. Understanding the differences is significantly more important to discuss than 'is it enough' for that crowd, IMO.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

LOL, i was always worried, there used to be some huggers in the congregation, little old ladies. Didnt want to freak them out.

Appendix carry. If they notice they won't say anything. Plus you can see who disengages and who leans it to it, so to speak.

 

[duanewade]

IMHIO when the perp raised that stick over his head that LEO should have started shooting until the threat was down. I'm not sure that would have been my thought at the time but as I've watched it a couple if times that is my line of thought.

At that time there would have been enough calm in the officers mindset to make effective hits no matter what he was carrying.

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[cedartop]

IMHIO when the perp raised that stick over his head that LEO should have started shooting until the threat was down. I'm not sure that would have been my thought at the time but as I've watched it a couple if times that is my line of thought.

At that time there would have been enough calm in the officers mindset to make effective hits no matter what he was carrying.

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I AM NOT saying the officer did the wrong thing, but just going on what we see here, I would not have shot the guy at all.

 

[Route 45]

You have a video of a guy using a duty sized pistol in a thread titled 5 shot snubby enough. Yeah, you did.

The point of that (repeated 3 times now, I think) was that handgun rounds suck, so keep shooting, which you can hardly do with a payload of 5. Not a comparison of a duty sized pistol to a snub, as you can easily launch 12 rounds from a P365 or a Shield Plus. Until the perp fell, you'd think the deputy was shooting blanks.

It's up to the viewer to take what he wants from the video, which should at least be that "one shot stop" percentages are junk science.