Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[phylodog]

There is the whole correlation is causation thing going on here though. Or did they count deaths by motorcycle?

A death within the first two weeks of receiving the vaccine is considered and counted as a Covid death. Not as a vaccine death, as a covid death. People dying from covid and people dying with covid are both counted as covid deaths. Someone hospitalized for heart failure and who tests positive for covid is considered a covid hospitalization.

Your question is much more applicable to the fear mongering elite.

Some people die from Covid. Some people die from the vaccine. TPTB cram everyone they possibly can into the first category and do everything they can to prevent anyone from being counted in the second one.

I've got a friend in his 50's who was perfectly healthy. Got the vaccine and ended up in ICU for weeks and is now trying to relearn how to walk in a rehab facility. There are plenty of stories like his out there which are conveniently ignored by those trying to convince us the "vaccine" is perfectly safe and everyone should get it. ********

 

[Alpo]

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That's "interesting". I'd like to see the data. The CMS data base is a claims system and not necessarily clinical health info. Having said that, I couldn't find any data on deaths after vaccination. Total deaths after hospitalization (discharge data) is approximately 190,000 on 1,058,000 hospitalizations. That isn't the total number of deaths and it doesn't list protocols for remdesivir, vaccination, etc.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Let's see it.

 

[phylodog]

Having said that, I couldn't find any data on deaths after vaccination.

You don't find that to be "interesting"?

None of the "stats" are accurate.

 

[Alpo]

You don't find that to be "interesting"?

Just because a whistleblower said something, doesn't make it true.

If it is accurate, it certainly is interesting to me, since I haven't signed up for the booster at this point. My wife is definitely in the "need much more data" camp. I'm in the "I don't get out much, but yeah, data is good" camp.

If true, great.

If not, it's just more anti-vaxx Bravo Sierra.

 

[Alpo]

I said a few weeks ago that the statistics that are meaningful to me are hospitalizations and deaths before discharge (expirations) for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. If it can be further broken down by age group or other demographic, fine.

 

[phylodog]

I said a few weeks ago that the statistics that are meaningful to me are hospitalizations and deaths before discharge (expirations) for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. If it can be further broken down by age group or other demographic, fine.

Those legitimate statistics are not available, they are not tracked appropriately. When the definition for a covid death includes dying from things other than covid the stats aren't worth squat.

They don't track deaths caused by the vaccine because they don't want that information available.

They want 100% compliance with the vaccine and they have been skewing "data" from day one toward that end.

 

[Alpo]

Those legitimate statistics are not available, they are not tracked appropriately. When the definition for a covid death includes dying from things other than covid the stats aren't worth squat.

They don't track deaths caused by the vaccine because they don't want that information available.

They want 100% compliance with the vaccine and they have been skewing "data" from day one toward that end.

I'm more neutral about it. The stats are only a rough, raw estimate of "actual".

When I got the first dose back in January, things weren't looking all that hot for 70+ year olds. I'd get the vaccine again if the time reset back to Jan 2020. Sitting here today, I'm reading what I can. I rarely listen to you guys (except mebbe Doc) on vaccines, rigged elections, etc etc etc. You have a point of view that I heavily discount.

So, I'll take the hospitalization data in CMS for what it's worth and look at expirations. I also know from medical professionals in my family what they are seeing in hospitals out west.

So, sorry if I'm selfish about it, but I'm not attempting to convince anyone to do anything. I really don't care what you do at my age. All I really care about is my family.

Back to you, Chet.

 

[Ark]

There is the whole correlation is causation thing going on here though. Or did they count deaths by motorcycle? I know some here advocate that, not me. Maybe its true.

Correlation was good enough for covid "death" numbers.

 

[tim87tr]

I'm glad people are thinking more now. Guess we'll find out the results of great American experiment sometime next year.

Maybe ask yourself why all the leaders in the World are saying the same things? Coincidence? They have your best interests at heart because they care about your well being so so so much!?

Plenty of independent new sources outside the MSM to look at and take a deep dive if you care to learn about what's really happening.

 

[foszoe]

Correlation was good enough for covid "death" numbers.

I am talking about from my perspective and no it isn't. Not sure I "trust" any data sources I see. Most definitely not from those that are taking strong positions on either side, nor their "news" sources.

 

[KLB]

Violation of EOC or whatever law that is.

What law says a religious exemption must be granted?

For vaccines, it is generally accepted as a 1st Amendment issue.

The courts have apparently been smacking down companies that tried to ignore people's requests for exemptions.

You also do not have to say what religion or explain the exemption request.

 

[phylodog]

For vaccines, it is generally accepted as a 1st Amendment issue.

The courts have apparently been smacking down companies that tried to ignore people's requests for exemptions.

You also do not have to say what religion or explain the exemption request.

As it should be.

 

[phylodog]

I'm more neutral about it. The stats are only a rough, raw estimate of "actual".

When I got the first dose back in January, things weren't looking all that hot for 70+ year olds. I'd get the vaccine again if the time reset back to Jan 2020. Sitting here today, I'm reading what I can. I rarely listen to you guys (except mebbe Doc) on vaccines, rigged elections, etc etc etc. You have a point of view that I heavily discount.

So, I'll take the hospitalization data in CMS for what it's worth and look at expirations. I also know from medical professionals in my family what they are seeing in hospitals out west.

So, sorry if I'm selfish about it, but I'm not attempting to convince anyone to do anything. I really don't care what you do at my age. All I really care about is my family.

Back to you, Chet.

I would neither encourage anyone to get the vaccine nor to avoid it outside of my immediate family. My issue with the "statistics" is that they are the primary tool being utilized to strip people of their right to choose and they've been used to hypnotize a significant part of the population into believing the threat is greater than it is and that their vaccines only work if everyone else gets one too.

A rough, raw estimate of actual is understating the situation by a large margin but I understand that is all there is to go on. I ignore them altogether as I'd choke on the grain of salt the size of a bowling ball I'd have to take with them if I didn't.

I think everyone should be selfish about it. It should be an individual choice, period. My continued posting on the topic is to point out the ******** that some try to ignore. If you're properly informed and feel it is of benefit to get the vaccine I think everyone should have the right to get it. Conning people into getting it with bad stats and info I have a problem with.

Had TPTB been open, honest and determined to provide factual information there's a decent chance I would have gotten the vaccine and kept my job. TPTB haven't been and therefore I'll not be getting it unless they jab my arm after I'm dead to get the last word in. Lies are lies regardless of the intention and that is a pool I won't swim in.

 

[printcraft]

I bet the Venn diagram overlap for wanting religious exemptions for vaccines and wanting to denying religious uniform exemptions for Sikhs and Muslims is pretty high.

Just reread this part... kut would be proud. Nice work.

 

[manifest destiny]

The official, gov endorsed, totals for "deaths from Covid" are absolutely erroneous. The official count of "Covid deaths" are incorrect. They are false. This is undeniable. One who is in a hospice with stage four lung cancer, told he has 4 weeks to live, but dies after two weeks because he tested positive for Corona Did. Not. Die from covid. A motorcyle wreck, a hunter accidently shoots/kills himself. Not. Covid. One can believe fully in untested vaccines. But one cannot accept, even cursory, the official death totals. Some die and most don't. The associated fear is completely political. If you want the vax, get it. If it works, the unvax'd are not a threat. A vaccine, regardless of which definition is currently being used, cannot both work and not work. It does or does not.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm glad people are thinking more now. Guess we'll find out the results of great American experiment sometime next year.

Maybe ask yourself why all the leaders in the World are saying the same things? Coincidence? They have your best interests at heart because they care about your well being so so so much!?

why? Because it's freakin' obvious: there is a pandemic killing their citizen and there are safe vaccines available. It's not a plan, plot, or ploy; it is EXACTLY what you would expect any sane leader to do.


Maybe ask yourself why those alternative news sources are working so hard to convince you of a pandemic with dangerous vaccines.

 

[JettaKnight]

Just reread this part... kut would be proud. Nice work.

How much is he paying for rent in your head?

 

[Ingomike]

why? Because it's freakin' obvious: there is a pandemic killing their citizen and there are safe vaccines available. It's not a plan, plot, or ploy; it is EXACTLY what you would expect any sane leader to do.


Maybe ask yourself why those alternative news sources are working so hard to convince you of a pandemic with dangerous vaccines.

Maybe ask yourself why those not following the science, they created in the past, are working so hard to convince, (now force) a a novel "vaccine" for a novel virus that is not that deadly? We were originally told that somewhere around 70% vaccinated or natural immunity wold be the target. Now it is 100% vaccine compliance. WHY?

 

[Magyars]

 

[printcraft]

How much is he paying for rent in your head?

You took over the lease.
bidet said I can't evict you for non payment at this time, but I'm not going to fix your toilet.