Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[wtburnette]

mRNA vaccines have been around for two decades.

For use against this type of illness?

 

[chipbennett]

The entire point of his post was sometimes safe chemicals aren’t safe once combined with other safe chemicals. You’re right, those are known toxic combos. Keyword, known, at one point in time those combos being toxic were unknown. It’s deflecting because you knew and understood the point he was making, but chose not to address it.


So tell me, what is the science behind the vaccine? Does it prevent infection? Does it prevent the spread? What are the long term effects?

The deflection was using other knwon-toxic combinations as a straw man, instead of identifying how any combinations of ingredients in the vaccine are toxic (or otherwise dangerous). The person making that claim bears the burden of proving the claim. I don't have to prove that they're not toxic; there are plenty of data now to support the safety of the vaccine.

No, the Covid vaccine doesn't prevent infection or transmission. Does any vaccine of a highly mutable, easily transmissible respiratory virus/disease do that? It was never going to do that. (The very reason that I don't get the annual flu shot.)

What the vaccine is clearly demonstrating to do, however, is to minimize the severity of infection/disease, and significantly curtail hospitalizations, vents, and deaths - particularly among those who are most at-risk for Covid infection.

 

[chipbennett]

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Talk about cherry-picking.

Hey, if that's your risk-benefit analysis, more power to you. However, if you're in the at-risk group, you might also want to consider that 95% (or more) of severe Covid infections, hospitalizations, ICU beds, vents, and deaths are unvaccinated.

(I'll also point out that, while every medicine and vaccine can and does cause side effects, including major side effects, up to and including death, to my knowledge there remains no statistically significant causation established regarding the Covid vaccine and death.)

 

[chipbennett]

For use against this type of illness?

Does it matter?

If the risk is mRNA itself, then it doesn't matter. If the risk is the protein spike, then that risk is inherent with the virus itself.

 

[zippy23]

The deflection was using other knwon-toxic combinations as a straw man, instead of identifying how any combinations of ingredients in the vaccine are toxic (or otherwise dangerous). The person making that claim bears the burden of proving the claim. I don't have to prove that they're not toxic; there are plenty of data now to support the safety of the vaccine.

No, the Covid vaccine doesn't prevent infection or transmission. Does any vaccine of a highly mutable, easily transmissible respiratory virus/disease do that? It was never going to do that. (The very reason that I don't get the annual flu shot.)

What the vaccine is clearly demonstrating to do, however, is to minimize the severity of infection/disease, and significantly curtail hospitalizations, vents, and deaths - particularly among those who are most at-risk for Covid infection.

Some information to consider, Israel is a disaster with hospitals packed with vaccinated people. It's all over the news right now how full hospitals are, and the lie is that they are full of non vaccinated people. I'm in health care around the state, big and small hospitals. I know a nurse at community and Lutheran, both told me last week more than half their patients are fully vaccinated. The other lie is hospitals are full here, but hospitals don't have the staff because so many have retired or quit because they won't deal with this insanity of forcing vaccinations, the ridiculous PPE they must wear around covid positive patients, students are training for a month and quitting the program because they won't deal with this crap. Methodist has lost 30% of nurses. Community has 270 open nursing/related positions.

Denmark banned J&J because of the horrible safety record, guillian barres syndrome destroying completely healthy people's lives cuz of the shot. VARES reporting 12x the number of side effects/deaths than any other vaccine in history. There's no way to say this is "safe" if you consider how safe other vaccines are. These compared to all other vaccines, are by the data, not safe. And if you look at the studies of natural immunity is 6-13 times better than the shot.... Well then getting the shot is completely unsafe if you've had COVId. And listening to vaccine developers, getting the shot makes you more prone to getting a variant if you are one of the 99.98% who have survived this flu. The CDC said it was 91% effective...... They changed that to 66%. I don't believe anything they say, cuz all they've done is flip flop every other week.

 

[Tombs]

Does it matter?

If the risk is mRNA itself, then it doesn't matter. If the risk is the protein spike, then that risk is inherent with the virus itself.

The mRNA technology isn't so much what concerns me. The frequency of vaccine side effects that are much more minimal to non-existent with other long established vaccines is what is concerning to me. It strikes me as half baked and needing work.

I'm pretty sure the tetanus vaccine isn't giving people bell's palsy at the same rate this is. I'm also skeptical of any data coming out on it considering how frequently VAERs is down or non-functional. When you have top health officials coming down with it after vaccination, I find that troubling.

The mechanism for functioning also leaves a lot to be desired and suggests boosters will be a necessary thing, I don't see the need to get into the technical aspects to explain fully why, I'll just say that a vaccine is nothing compared to natural immunity when it comes to variants the vaccine wasn't implicitly designed for. To make a long story short, the information your immune system receives from the vaccine doesn't trigger the full immune system response the actual virus does, and leaves the door open for new variants your body won't recognize. (This is the reason for all the cases of inflammation you hear about, that other part of the immune system would normally be triggered by a vaccine and suppress it.)

Another reason I consider it half baked.
(And no I'm not an immunologist, I just read their papers)

 

[Onebad06vtx]

mRNA vaccines have been around for two decades.

Yes it has but only tested in mice!

 

[zippy23]

mRNA vaccines have been around for two decades.

Moderna started in 2012. BioNtech started mRna research and development in 2013, then Pfizer partnered with them in 2018 for R/D specifically for mRNA vaccines against influenza. We have ZERO long term data on anything mRNA vaccine related. We've got just a couple years of research.... And now hundreds of millions of test subjects. Let's be clear, mRNA therapy is gene therapy. And it's track record is terrible.

Modernas short past trying to produce mRNA gene therapies has been a failure, it's never safe enough to put into humans, but of course magically now it's all good, maybe it was the shortened time of researching this new virus that enabled their failed technology to work, lol. As early as 2017 moderna had failed in their rate disease mRNA therapies, so they turned to vaccines cuz they couldn't get their product to work on the cash cows of rare disease so they tried something that didn't need booster shots. Let me say that again. Moderna mRNA gene therapy didn't work on rare disease they tried cuz they couldn't get the dosage right, too much and it'll hurt the patient. Too little and it's not effective, but at least it's safe. So they tried vaccines cuz they thought they could use less dosage and be safe and not have to inject over and over low dosage!!!!! I have no faith in govt, I have no faith in a company that got paid up front for millions of doses before efficacy was even established, I have no faith in rushed "science", pushed by fauci who is a proven two faced tyrant. Anyone who wants it, go for it. I don't want any part of it.

 

[d.kaufman]

And now they are moving forward and saying the vaccine is good to go for 5-11 year olds

 

[Hatin Since 87]

(I'll also point out that, while every medicine and vaccine can and does cause side effects, including major side effects, up to and including death, to my knowledge there remains no statistically significant causation established regarding the Covid vaccine and death.)

The vaccine hasn’t even been out an entire year. Long term side effects are still unknown.



With the vaccine, I still get AND spread the virus. I don’t know what the long term side effects are. So it does nothing to curtail the spread, and may even have serious effects in the future, so what’s the point of getting the vaccine? If it doesn’t stop the spread, and doesn’t prevent infection, what’s the point? For a 66% effectiveness, against a virus with a 99.9998 percent chance of survival?


Now, I don’t know about you, but that sounds ****ing stupid.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

And now they are moving forward and saying the vaccine is good to go for 5-11 year olds

Ya, it’s good for THEIR 5-11 year olds, not mine.

 

[d.kaufman]

Ya, it’s good for THEIR 5-11 year olds, not mine.

I hear ya. My youngest will NOT be getting it.

Here's link to article

Pfizer Ok's Vaccine for Children

Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer has reportedly now Ok'd the administration of its coronavirus vaccine to children between the ages of 5 to 11. As CNBC reports: A smaller dose of Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is safe and generates a “robust” immune response in a clinical trial of kids ages...

americanactionnews.com

 

[rhamersley]

Ya, it’s good for THEIR 5-11 year olds, not mine.

Unfortunately, my daughter who's all about the "vaccine" is the one with my two grandkids...age 5 and 11.

ET Change - 6 and 11...youngun just had a birthday a couple weeks ago.

 

[Tombs]

The vaccine hasn’t even been out an entire year. Long term side effects are still unknown.



With the vaccine, I still get AND spread the virus. I don’t know what the long term side effects are. So it does nothing to curtail the spread, and may even have serious effects in the future, so what’s the point of getting the vaccine? If it doesn’t stop the spread, and doesn’t prevent infection, what’s the point? For a 66% effectiveness, against a virus with a 99.9998 percent chance of survival?


Now, I don’t know about you, but that sounds ****ing stupid.

Not to mention, there's disagreement on the viral load present in the vaccinated. Some scientists claim hundreds of times greater viral load in the vaccinated, others claim a reduced viral load.

Both are reputable and have papers published on this.

No one really knows what's going on, and those that claim they do are bordering on malpractice.
This whole circus has nothing to do with science.

Science is being able to predict the future reliably and repeatedly, with an experiment anyone with the necessary equipment could perform and get the same results. With hundreds of millions of vaccines having been deployed and questions like this still existing, it suggests either significant coverups or incompetence.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Unfortunately, my daughter who's all about the "vaccine" is the one with my two grandkids...age 5 and 11.

Have any children even died from the virus?

 

[rhamersley]

Have any children even died from the virus?

Haven't looked it up, but I'm sure there have been a few...probably with other notable problems besides.

 

[Magyars]

Talk about cherry-picking.

Hey, if that's your risk-benefit analysis, more power to you. However, if you're in the at-risk group, you might also want to consider that 95% (or more) of severe Covid infections, hospitalizations, ICU beds, vents, and deaths are unvaccinated.

(I'll also point out that, while every medicine and vaccine can and does cause side effects, including major side effects, up to and including death, to my knowledge there remains no statistically significant causation established regarding the Covid vaccine and death.)

We all have delusions and your welcome to join the flock.

 

[buckwacker]

The deflection was using other knwon-toxic combinations as a straw man, instead of identifying how any combinations of ingredients in the vaccine are toxic (or otherwise dangerous). The person making that claim bears the burden of proving the claim. I don't have to prove that they're not toxic; there are plenty of data now to support the safety of the vaccine.

No, the Covid vaccine doesn't prevent infection or transmission. Does any vaccine of a highly mutable, easily transmissible respiratory virus/disease do that? It was never going to do that. (The very reason that I don't get the annual flu shot.)

What the vaccine is clearly demonstrating to do, however, is to minimize the severity of infection/disease, and significantly curtail hospitalizations, vents, and deaths - particularly among those who are most at-risk for Covid infection.

For someone claiming to be in the field, you should know better.

If we understood with certainty how all these compounds work togther, we wouldn't need an FDA approval process, now would we. No drugs would ever need pulled because we fully understood how these combinations of compounds work in the human body, right?

And no, it's not incumbent upon anyone other than the manufacturers and the FDA to prove the jab is safe. Until it's proven to be safe by going through the full (years long) FDA approval process, anyone can legitimately claim doubts about its long term safety. To insist that someone, being harangued into unwillingly accepting something being injected into their body, has the responsibility to prove that it's not safe is height of arrogance and foolishness.

 

[drillsgt]

Have any children even died from the virus?

0-17 years 439

 

[Leo]

Here is why I do not trust the CDC:
Updated July 23, 2021


ATLANTA (Precision Vaccinations)
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed an increased number of deaths reported after a COVID-19 vaccination. Between December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) received 12,313 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.
UPDATE: As of 2:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website modified the number of VAERS reports related to COVID-19 vaccination deaths from 12,313 to 6,079, through July 13, 2021. The CDC's webpage's Last Update date remains July 19, 2021.
UPDATE #2: As of 6:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website stated through July 19, 2021, VAERS had received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. The CDC's webpage's Last Update date reflects July 21, 2021.
Since more than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the USA, this data reflects a vaccination-death ratio of 0.0018%.
The CDC’s website says, ‘Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. This is because the U.S. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after a COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.
Furthermore, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines, says the CDC.
Additionally, VAERS had received 1,148 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received a COVID-19 vaccine as of July 19th. The CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination.

The simplest numbers jump around from day to day. If you check the CDC today, none of what they report are the same.

Forbes had a great article about the money. Dr Scott Gottlieb and Dr Mark McClelland sat on the FDA board at the same time as they sat on for profit corporations in the Covid business. If your EX was in court against you, you would not their uncle to be the judge. That makes the FDA smell bad. And remember 21 drugs they DID approve, had to be taken off the market as harmful this year. That makes everything they say suspect, and they still have not approved the covid shots.

There has NEVER been a report that Graphene oxide is healthy. Gates foundation shots in Kenya have been proven to have been tainted and people that took the gates shot are having serious reproductive issues. John Gotti killed less people in his life than this injection kills a week, and he was public enemy number 1.

The numbers and the "facts" are being cooked every day and it still smells rotten.