Vaccine coercion/bribery

[BugI02]

I thought this '÷' was how we created division

The point I wished to make was solely limited to abnormal clotting and somewhat enhanced stroke risk occur on both sides of the vaccine 'equation'

We are encouraging people to be cognizant of all the risks to the extent possible and make the decision that best fits with their own estimation of their risk, and I had not seen much acknowledgement of that particular risk factor being existent in the acquisition of natural immunity

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Then you should definitely get vaccinated. I am pretty sure I read it right here on INGO that having COVID-19 and then getting the vaccine was the best

If he’s already had it and beat it what’s the point? His body fought off foreign invaders, now he has antibodies, if he beat it the first time he’s got an even smaller chance of dying from it the second time around

 

[BugI02]

Then you should definitely get vaccinated. I am pretty sure I read it right here on INGO that having COVID-19 and then getting the vaccine was the best

I keep looking to see if that assertion is commutative

Does Infection --> Vaccination == Vaccination ---> Infection as far as level of induced immunity is concerened

I've only seen natural immunity compared to induced immunity, but it is likely many people will end up with some formulation of the equality I indicated and it would be interesting to know the answer

 

[phylodog]

I keep looking to see if that assertion is commutative

Does Infection --> Vaccination == Vaccination ---> Infection as far as level of induced immunity is concerened

I've only seen natural immunity compared to induced immunity, but it is likely many people will end up with some formulation of the equality I indicated and it would be interesting to know the answer

With as inconsistent as this virus appears to be as far as severity of infection/symptoms, I'm not confident we will have that answer. I'm less confident that it would be reported accurately should it fail to meet the narrative.

 

[printcraft]

I haven't been paying close attention... but can anyone tell me what day it is out of the 15 days to flatten the curve?
I mean, we gotta be close to the 15 day point by now right?

 

[bobzilla]

If he’s already had it and beat it what’s the point? His body fought off foreign invaders, now he has antibodies, if he beat it the first time he’s got an even smaller chance of dying from it the second time around

Actually, the chances of a second infection are less than 1% (0.7%) from a previous infection.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I haven't been paying close attention... but can anyone tell me what day it is out of the 15 days to flatten the curve?
I mean, we gotta be close to the 15 day point by now right?

It resets every 14th day. If you’d just wear a mask this would all be over.

 

[foszoe]

If he’s already had it and beat it what’s the point? His body fought off foreign invaders, now he has antibodies, if he beat it the first time he’s got an even smaller chance of dying from it the second time around

I don't usually make binary decisions and that includes healthcare. Also a firm believer in you should weigh your options and make your own decision. Sometimes quality of life matters.

That said I ain't above giving advice and commentary. When someone makes a vaccine decision based on death/not death, that's not a very thorough thought process.

Some say there are long term risks involved with having Covid that may appear long after one has declared oneself healed.

For those that are antivax, especially the ones screaming about it, many are binary in their thinking.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I don't usually make binary decisions and that includes healthcare. Also a firm believer in you should weigh your options and make your own decision. Sometimes quality of life matters.

That said I ain't above giving advice and commentary. When someone makes a vaccine decision based on death/not death, that's not a very thorough thought process.

Some say there are long term risks involved with having Covid that may appear long after one has declared oneself healed.

For those that are antivax, especially the ones screaming about it, many are binary in their thinking.

What about the long term risks of the vaccine?

 

[phylodog]

I wish there were accurate numbers concerning people who have gotten infected to compare these to. https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

 

[BugI02]

I don't usually make binary decisions and that includes healthcare. Also a firm believer in you should weigh your options and make your own decision. Sometimes quality of life matters.

That said I ain't above giving advice and commentary. When someone makes a vaccine decision based on death/not death, that's not a very thorough thought process.

Some say there are long term risks involved with having Covid that may appear long after one has declared oneself healed.

For those that are antivax, especially the ones screaming about it, many are binary in their thinking.

Are not Yin and Yang binary? I fail to understand the opprobrium heaped on binary thinking

You should all just give up any chip-based devices

 

[BugI02]

What about the long term risks of the vaccine?

They exist at some imprecisely determined level, as do the risks of infection

That's why only you can decide how to proceed after weighing the best estimation of personal/family risk you can make

Anyone shading the data in one direction or another for any purpose other than giving us the tools to make an informed decision should be burned at the stake ... err, should be strongly discouraged from doing so

 

[foszoe]

What about the long term risks of the vaccine?

I consider that a given consideration among those who are anti vax.

 

[foszoe]

Are not Yin and Yang binary? I fail to understand the opprobrium heaped on binary thinking

You should all just give up any chip-based devices

Few decisions made are as binary as those based on death/not death at least from the point of view of the organism making the decision.

 

[bobzilla]

I consider that a given consideration among those who are anti vax.

Please for the love of the FSM I'm not anti-vax. Most here are not anti-vax. Anti-vax means NO ONE should get the vax. We are making the personal choice to not vax because of out experiences, health etc. JFC.... This binary thinking just pisses me off.

 

[bobzilla]

I don't usually make binary decisions and that includes healthcare. Also a firm believer in you should weigh your options and make your own decision. Sometimes quality of life matters.

That said I ain't above giving advice and commentary. When someone makes a vaccine decision based on death/not death, that's not a very thorough thought process.

Some say there are long term risks involved with having Covid that may appear long after one has declared oneself healed.

For those that are antivax, especially the ones screaming about it, many are binary in their thinking.

I contracted the C on a business trip to Atlanta early 2020.I don't get an option on these long term effects of C because I didn't get the choice in gettin/not getting it. We were being told it wasn't even in the US and definitely not as far inland as Atlanta. Yet ANOTHER lie told to us by TPTB. So harping about the long term effects of something I've already had is pointless. I have to consider the NEW effects possible for me with my family history and health for the vax. To me, it's not worth that risk to leave my wife a widow or incur some other high expense procedure because of the vax.

This doesn't make me anti vax. It just means I don't feel it's the right choice FOR ME. I'm not telling anyone else what they should and should not do. Silly of me to expect thesame respect and consideration.

 

[phylodog]

Please for the love of the FSM I'm not anti-vax. Most here are not anti-vax. Anti-vax means NO ONE should get the vax. We are making the personal choice to not vax because of out experiences, health etc. JFC.... This binary thinking just pisses me off.

But it makes it easier to consider us boogie men if they have a cute name for us.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I consider that a given consideration among those who are anti vax.

So, for me, what is your opinion of if I should be vaccinated vs unvaccinated? No hypotheticals, just curious.

 

[foszoe]

Please for the love of the FSM I'm not anti-vax. Most here are not anti-vax. Anti-vax means NO ONE should get the vax. We are making the personal choice to not vax because of out experiences, health etc. JFC.... This binary thinking just pisses me off.

Then don't make false assumptions. When I said antivax I am talking about for youself because we are talking about your choice

 

[NKBJ]

There's nothing left to argue about until we're forced to take the jab.
The powers behind it have made their intentions known.