Vaccine coercion/bribery

[BigRed]

Much easier to do once they took many of their firearms away and required licensing to possess the rest 20+ years or so ago after Port Arthur was used as the excuse

This could easily be us if we're not careful

Dead on balls accurate.

 

[rooster]

Fines for breaching Sydney's lockdown are doubled

Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled and police given wide-ranging new powers to shut down businesses and construction sites.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is our government going to do this also?

They also are using Australian military to enforce it.

Sydney readies for the army as lockdown fails to squash Delta outbreak

We don’t have even close to enough troops to even lockdown the top 25 metropolitan areas let alone the whole country should the populace decide to put up any kind of a fight against it.

Current total army and marine manpower stands at around 1 million, marine corps at 220k. Army times says that around 6% of army troops are on profile or otherwise non deployable.

So if we assume the 25k deployed for DC for inauguration Is indicative of needed troop strength to secure a metro area then .gov straight up don’t have enough.

They definitely don’t have enough that have done training outside of a static range should a large organized group like say BLM decide they want to take up arms against them........

 

[BigRed]

We don’t have even close to enough troops to even lockdown the top 25 metropolitan areas let alone the whole country should the populace decide to put up any kind of a fight against it.

Current total army and marine manpower stands at around 1 million, marine corps at 220k. Army times says that around 6% of army troops are on profile or otherwise non deployable.

So if we assume the 25k deployed for DC for inauguration Is indicative of needed troop strength to secure a metro area then .gov straight up don’t have enough.

They definitely don’t have enough that have done training outside of a static range should a large organized group like say BLM decide they want to take up arms against them........

Well, there is that mother ******* ******* in the white house that talks about using nuclear weapons against united States citizens.

 

[rooster]

To put the military enforcing lockdowns thing into perspective. DC got 25k troops. That’s 365 per sq mile. To put that density in Indianapolis would require 134k.

 

[wtburnette]

So, we shouldn't talk about producing 10x the number of synthetic opiate doses as there were legitimate prescriptions for or the efficacy of remdesevir or aduhelm relative to their cost or high US pricing used to subsidize discounts to countries where prescription prices are negotiated by the health system as a whole while lobbying against the same strategy here for medicare and medicaid

Got it

Exactly. Like I said, yes, they make products that we need, but they are OVER compensated for that. Same as hospitals and insurance companies. The only reason prices are so abhorrent is that insurance is involved. Out of control prices for medicines, medical procedures and everything different prices depending on what insurance you have or don't have. Just because we have a system better than most countries doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved.

 

[BigRed]

Exactly. Like I said, yes, they make products that we need, but they are OVER compensated for that. Same as hospitals and insurance companies. The only reason prices are so abhorrent is that insurance is involved. Out of control prices for medicines, medical procedures and everything different prices depending on what insurance you have or don't have. Just because we have a system better than most countries doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved.

I would contend the reason they are over priced is because state is involved.

 

[wtburnette]

I would contend the reason they are over priced is because state is involved.

Well, how could I leave the government out of the equation...

 

[WebSnyper]

Exactly. Like I said, yes, they make products that we need, but they are OVER compensated for that. Same as hospitals and insurance companies. The only reason prices are so abhorrent is that insurance is involved. Out of control prices for medicines, medical procedures and everything different prices depending on what insurance you have or don't have. Just because we have a system better than most countries doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved.

There are lots of factors, including the cost of malpractice insurance, the proliferation of lawsuits and crazy damage awards, etc, and extreme amounts of regulatory overhead.

Until recently there had been no transparency in pricing ( https://www.cms.gov/hospital-price-transparency ) and even with the new laws many facilities are trying to avoid it, etc.

There needs to be some profit motive for innovation, etc. Pharmas, and hospitals, and even insurance companies etc are not operating in a free market by any means.

Not to mention someone has to foot the bill for innovation when the rest of the world is price controlling medications, while other countries don't respect intellectual property and reverse engineer and steal whatever they can. Meanwhile drug companies have to invest incredible amounts of $ to discover and bring a drug to market and many never make it. Limited amount of time to recoup those $ with patent time being burned even before getting to market.

There's blame that can go all around, but the answer is not killing ability to make a profit, and it's not more government intervention.

 

[printcraft]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...gibraltar-vaccine-coronavirus/?outputType=amp

Entire population vaccinated. Remember when Gibraltar was the “look up to them, this is how you do it” to beat covid articles popping up?
Yeah check the news, they are having an outbreak.
I can’t understand that because everyone was fully vaccinated, like the entire country… weird.

 

[actaeon277]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/18/gibraltar-vaccine-coronavirus/?outputType=amp

Entire population vaccinated. Remember when Gibraltar was the “look up to them, this is how you do it” to beat covid articles popping up?
Yeah check the news, they are having an outbreak.
I can’t understand that because everyone was fully vaccinated, like the entire country… weird.

Wait.
I thought it was the unvaccinated's fault. And that they should.. something about growing a pair.. get the shot...

 

[printcraft]

Wait.
I thought it was the unvaccinated's fault. And that they should.. something about growing a pair.. get the shot...

If everyone here was vaccinated this would have been over in 6 months, swear to God.

 

[jamil]

I found this interesting for the Delta variant in the UK. First, the CFR in the UK data was 0.2%. So that confirms what people have been saying in this thread. Not surprising, people over 50 fared worse than under 50. Of the 257 deaths in the data sample, 231 were over 50.

The surprising thing is that in that over 50 group, vaccinated people fared much worse than unvaccinated. Of the 231 deaths over 50, 116 were fully vaccinated, 41 were less than two weeks after the 2nd shot, and 1 was less than two weeks after the 1st shot. So that's 158 deaths among vaccinated people compared with 71 deaths among unvaccinated (2 had unknown vax status). So in the 26 deaths of people under 50, 21 were unvaccinated.

AstraZenica, Pfizer and Moderna are approved in the UK. The vaccine manufacturers is not mentioned in the data. So it's hard to say how the UK data relates to what the numbers might be in the US. It's possible that all the vaccinated deaths were AstraZenica. Who knows.

There doesn't seem to be the same kind of data in the US. But if it's the same trend where vaccinated people are more likely to die from the Delta Variant than unvaccinated, Joe Biden and his bitch Fauci need kicked in the balls with lead boots on national TV.

 

[printcraft]

I found this interesting for the Delta variant in the UK. First, the CFR in the UK data was 0.2%. So that confirms what people have been saying in this thread. Not surprising, people over 50 fared worse than under 50. Of the 257 deaths in the data sample, 231 were over 50.

The surprising thing is that in that over 50 group, vaccinated people fared much worse than unvaccinated. Of the 231 deaths over 50, 116 were fully vaccinated, 41 were less than two weeks after the 2nd shot, and 1 was less than two weeks after the 1st shot. So that's 158 deaths among vaccinated people compared with 71 deaths among unvaccinated (2 had unknown vax status). So in the 26 deaths of people under 50, 21 were unvaccinated.

The UK uses both the AstraZenica and Pfizer. And of course Pfiser is used in the US. I'm not certain but I don't think Moderna is authorized in the UK. The vaccine manufacturers is not mentioned in the data. So it's hard to say how the UK data relates to what the numbers might be in the US. It's possible that all the vaccinated deaths were AstraZenica. Who knows.

There doesn't seem to be the same kind of data in the US. But if it's the same trend where vaccinated people are more likely to die from the Delta Variant than unvaccinated, Joe Biden and his bitch Fauci need kicked in the balls with lead boots on national TV.

Was there any cross referenced data for “with balls” or “without balls” taken in to account?

 

[actaeon277]

If everyone here was vaccinated this would have been over in 6 months, swear to God.

 

[actaeon277]

IT'S OKAY.
I found the solution

 

[jamil]

Oh brother, knock that CRAP off. "Big Pharma" makes a LOT of medicines that save lives. If YOU don`t want to take your heart medicine, or any other life saving medicine, feel free. But knock off the ignorant attacks on pharmaceutical companies. It`s old and it`s dumbass.

Let me tell you what Big Pharma does. It invents things like chemo tharapy to treat cancer. That's awesome. It sometimes works. And gives people hope. But it has a lot of side effects that are really, really, really bad. So then along comes little pharma, to invent a new drug that drastically reduces the dosage of chemo necessary to kill some common types of cancer cells. That's great because then, side effects from the chemo aren't nearly as bad. It also allows some people who would not have been able to take the chemo otherwise, to be able to take it.

But guess what? Big pharma WANTS to sell a lot of chemo. Because it's really expensive. And they make a lot of money. How they gonna make they dollars if some deranged small company goes and makes a little chemo go a long way? So they've been lobbying the FDA to drag their feet on approvals.

Big pharma will **** you in the *** for pennies because even pennies in profit is profit. The crap that needs knocked off is the big pharma phallus admiration. Big pharma does a lot of good, but not out of the goodness of their hearts. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with making a buck on one's products. They're not your friends though. Well. Maybe they're YOUR friends, I dunno. Maybe you work for Big Pharma. That's all well and good. But they're not in business to be benevolent. They've been caught many times ****ing the public, like many big corps.

 

[jamil]

While true that they make some life saving products, the fact that they have also been known to do some heinous things is also true. I refer to the medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry as the axis of evil. We wouldn't need a discussion about socialized medicine if the axis of evil hadn't totally screwed up the costs of healthcare in our country.

The US healthcare industry is designed to efficiently extract the most money from the most people possible. Doesn't matter where the money comes from. Givernment, or individuals. Or insurance companies. However they can get the most for the least.

 

[jamil]

I will reiterate: STOP taking your heart medicines, your dementia medicines, your Diabetes medicine, that`ll show `em!

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What do those medicines have to do with the fact that big pharma does some pretty ****ed up things to earn money. Shall we discuss some of the lawsuits? Some of the fines levied for doing some really ****ed up things? Talking about the good meds doesn't excuse immoral business practices.

 

[jamil]

Was there any cross referenced data for “with balls” or “without balls” taken in to account?

Well, it's the UK, so we assume without.

 

[wtburnette]

There are lots of factors, including the cost of malpractice insurance, the proliferation of lawsuits and crazy damage awards, etc, and extreme amounts of regulatory overhead.

Until recently there had been no transparency in pricing ( https://www.cms.gov/hospital-price-transparency ) and even with the new laws many facilities are trying to avoid it, etc.

There needs to be some profit motive for innovation, etc. Pharmas, and hospitals, and even insurance companies etc are not operating in a free market by any means.

Not to mention someone has to foot the bill for innovation when the rest of the world is price controlling medications, while other countries don't respect intellectual property and reverse engineer and steal whatever they can. Meanwhile drug companies have to invest incredible amounts of $ to discover and bring a drug to market and many never make it. Limited amount of time to recoup those $ with patent time being burned even before getting to market.

There's blame that can go all around, but the answer is not killing ability to make a profit, and it's not more government intervention.

Not saying I want more government intervention, but something needs to be done. Right now, it's easy as hell to blow your life savings and go into huge debt just to have pretty common health issues resolved. Too many people get screwed over by the current system and this gives huge credence to those idiots who propose social medicine, you know, like all the other civilized countries have. I don't want that, but that's what gives that idea so much mileage. If we could address the issues so that people could afford healthcare without going into crippling debt, the idea of social medicine would be laughed at by most people. As it is, social medicine is embraced by people who otherwise would laugh at the idea, but there aren't any other good options being proposed.